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  • Site Admin Kevin Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Mat no sorry we’ve not reviewed or proofed anything from Edge Racing.

    I can’t see the service you are speaking of so no idea what the terms are so difficult to give any advice. If you have any further info contact me on support@bettingsystemtruths.com

  • mathew hanlan says:

    Have you ever proofed or had anything to do with Edge Racing or Eddie Ege ??

    I joined his memberships, and sprts and soccer betting syndicates in July last year and ive been trying for 6 + months to get back betting profits that were proposed to be paid weekly from Edge Racing .
    A total nightmare
    Being from Australia he knows it to be nearly impossible to get back the profits .
    Any advise ??

    With thanks

    mat

  • Site Admin Kevin Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Rod,

    Yes if you read my email yesterday I have been ill for a while now. I’ve got a few new reviews in the pipeline and yes I will be trying to get a review of Valueplussoccer soon.

  • rod says:

    Hi guys,

    Quiet on here lately.

    Any thoughts of looking at Valueplussoccer yet?

    Looks very good from their advertising?

    Rod

  • Site Admin Kevin Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Rod,

    Yes we will be starting a review of Prudent Profits later this week.

  • rod says:

    Hi

    Any chance of a review of Prudent place lays: http://www.prudentprofit.com

    Sounds great laying horses at such low odds and strike rate sounds consistent. Could be a good one to look at?

    Regards, Rod

  • Site Admin Kevin Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi John,

    No sorry we don’t have any info on them. They do offer a 14 day trial so may be worth trying that but you also have to subscribe to Market Feeder Pro so please take that into account unless you already have it.

    Regards,
    Kevin

  • John says:

    Hi guys have heard some good comments regarding Betfair Trader do you have info on them thinking of joining

    regards John

  • Site Admin James Site Admin James says:

    Hi Steve such is the case these days. they wait about 2 years. Design a new website and sell it under a different guise. unfortunately thats what we have to deal with and its separating yourself from these scammers thats so easy for the good guys.

    Thanks for the info.

    James

  • STEVE says:

    hi James. It seems Betfair Redemption which is doing the rounds at the moment that I commented on yesterday has been out in the past but under a different name. Apparently the PDF sheet you get with it is the same as one put out a while ago for another system.

  • STEVE says:

    Hi’ Has anyone heard of Betfair Redemtion. Big advertising spread with cars, boats etc. Someone else has supposed to have found yet another Betfair loophole. This one comes from an ex council tenant lol.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Anyone else received promo emails about the soccer software tips known as “Instant Profit Machine”? If so, I would tread carefully! Lots of problems downloading software and then waiting for temporary log in details. I complained to Clickbank requesting refund which they refused initially and then product vendor blocked my account. Now referred to Clickbank again for refund.

    Jon

  • Sgt Jon Jon says:

    @Sgt David: Hi David

    Thanks for the heads up! I get swamped with these promotional emails every day :(

    Cheers
    Jon

  • Sgt David says:

    Anyone getting a load of emails from AutoBetPro ?

    I would bin them along with those from any affiliate who distributes this rubbish. Then bin ALL emails from anyone peddling this as they obviously do not check the products they endorse.

    Despite me contacting some affiliates ( Steve G of Midas Method being the only one of them to sent out 2 endorsements since being told what would happen if he continued to do so ) some continue to endorse this product – he must be desperate !

    Service claims 68% winners placed automatically.

    To date it has placed ONE winner from 34 bets !

    Maybe this is just a poor run but to claim 68% winners when the shortest priced selection has been about 5/1 should fire off alarm signals.

    There is one good thing about that winner though – it means I have received more winners than replies to the 5 emails sent to him !

    This post is designed to save the overworked refund department at Clickbank a bit of work.

  • Penny Campbell says:

    Hi James

    I am sure you have been asked this quite a number of times but can you tell me what systems you use?

    Also I live in Australia so I was wondering if anyone of our readers can tell me which systems I can look at that would be time friendly for here?

    I work so I can’t sit up all night so if there is anything you can think of that can assist with ease of placement and it doesn’t have to necessarily be horses. I am also interested in Footbal, golf or tennis.

    Am not expecting to make a living at this stage as I like my job, but I would love to make some extra income on the side. Maybe come back and visit the UK again. Worked there some years ago and loved it.

    Thanks for your help.
    Penny

  • Kevin says:

    We’re just about to start a review of one of their services so keep an eye out for that.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • jenner says:

    Any info on Pro Betting Ciub, from anyone please. Thankyou.

  • Danny says:

    Hi guys,

    I was wondering if anyone still uses Betfair ATM. It has favourable reviews on most sites as well as this but wanting to know if it still has the edge from 2010 when it was released?

    Many thanks

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Hi Phil. Thanks for your email. Our reviewer unfortunately for you received the bigger bank advice. I would probably commit that now would be the best time to join this service based on historic results but as this is gambling its hard to say! Everyone reading should know that the final score service received and will continue to hold its status on the blog because it depicts what we found during our review. The same goes for products which have failed reviews. They may go onto make extraordinary profits but on this site if they failed the 3 month review then they failed our 3 month review and carry the failed status forever.

    Yes thats one thing we struggle with here. We can only review systems and services for a set time. We can only let readers know how they performed for us during that time. As a free operation we simply do not have the resources to do continuous reviews on the 500 reviews we have done since 2007.

    Our rating system is based on what we found during our review and not before or after so everyone reading usually understands that is the case. Our reviews we try to be as detailed as possible in the final review to give as much detail as possible over the 3 months. So readers can weigh every thing up.

    Our reviewers here are readers of the blog and they volunteer to do these reviews from a canvassing email i send out from time to time.

    Most of what you talk about is correct and this is why even a free site like ours needs to have disclaimers in place with every review we undertake.

    Thanks
    James

  • Phil says:

    Re Final Score the football service that received 4.5 stars after a very successful review. I follow this service and was during the review. I was in profit until a very bad run started in mid January. Since then this service has lost about 160 points. Their site recommends a 200 point bank which is now severely threatened. The emails I was receiving from them recommended a 150 point blank until in the last week or so the recommendation became 200. When I pointed this out to them (Jon Roberts) the reply was an apology for the mistake and ‘we don’t really know how this happened’ and ‘it must have been an old template’.

    The results you had were genuine because I verified them myself but I would point out to people that you review a service in a certain window of it’s operation. Life, as they say, is all about timing. If you had started your review in mid January you would have failed this service as a total disaster because almost all the bank would be gone. I think sending out the ‘wrong template’ for a couple of months is also pretty bad admin on their part.

    In it’s defense, this service has been successful over a long period with the inevitable bad runs from which they have recovered, I just hope they recover from this one.

    I think this is a good example from which to learn something. The reviews on this site are excellent, and free, what more can be asked. But all services carry a risk. Judging by their own historic results which they publish this seems to be their worst ever run, and this can probably happen with any service no matter how many stars it gets!

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Been trying to figure the bookies out for years Steve! I don’t believe we ever will!

  • STEVE says:

    @James: hello james, thanks for the reply. I haven’t been arbing and I haven’t been that successful lately. I have been successful with boylesports and they have informed me due to risk assessment or something, they are refusing bets. I phoned and they said to try betting with smaller amounts and at sp odds which still never worked. i have got quite a few festival ante post bets on, perhaps that is why. it makes you feel like pulling your money out. what on earth is going on. ?

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Sorry Steve. We couldn’t find a reason why this would happen to you unless you are blatantly arbing or being very successful… Obviously bookies do not like successful punters or arbers :).

  • Kevin says:

    Hi Russ,

    I’ll see if we can get a review.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • RUSS t says:

    Hi
    … Has anyone used win in tennis, winintennis.co.uk… or could bettingsystemtruths arrange a review?

    Russ

  • STEVE says:

    @James: Hi’ have just had Betfred e-mail me and let me know they have stopped me from getting B.O.G. I put on a couple of bets lately and they haven’t allowed me the full amount, so I’ve gone somewhere else. I’m not even betting that much maybe up to 80 pound but not often. I’m not winning with them at the moment but do put my bets on around ten to get better odds. any idea’s why. ?

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Hi Jim. nothing bad to say about flaming torch. All I would say is there is no roulette or casino system that can win long term.

    In real life casinos the house has an unbeatable edge. Online it is almost impossible for all RNG softwares to be checked and regulated and all online softwares are in our opinion programmed to unfairly beat you even more so than a real table.

    If they say they have a casino system which wins long term, I would be extremely cautious about handing over any money. Maybe ask them to contact us and we will humour them with a review.

    cheers
    James.

  • Jim says:

    Hello.
    There is a new product launch from flamingtorch.co.uk/adamsroulette. It has a one day early bird discount of £49.99 and will be return to £200 on Monday. Wanted to order but need advise as to whether flaming torch can be trusted as I have goggle and found nothing bad.

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Well I hope you have a great birthday Penny and i am pretty sure if you want a refund with clickbank you are nigh on guaranteed to get one.

    Cheers
    James

  • Penny Campbell says:

    Hi James

    I purchased this service and I am almost certain it is a scam. Going to try and get money back.
    It is called Automated Tipster so please look into it and alert others.
    Nicholas Firth is the author and declares it to be an app but that’s not true his site directs you to winners.com (which is supposed to have an app). I have emailed twice and the only response so far is an email reminding me to register with winners.com and pay £5 more to get my free £25 bet. The so-called software is just a page of selections that are favourites that I could of picked from Timeform myself. No instructions on what to do. Nada. Oh well if I don’t get money back from Clickbank will write the $34.00 AUD down to experience. Too bad because it is my birthday today and I shouted to myself for a treat.

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Hi Penny no can you please elaborate and we will see what we can find out.

    James

  • Penny Campbell says:

    Has anybody heard of automated tipster.

  • colin says:

    Same as with Terry, Darren Hudson-Wood was always requesting a bigger involvement… lucky i resisted after the initial payments seems a few people have been burnt big style….so im lucky..i can imagine its easy to get caught up…

    lesson learnt… if its too good to be true it probably isnt

    still….. out of pocket…very frustrating

    if Terry or Dysonic wish to email me …. kingflyer [at] hotmail [dot]com

    Colin

  • Billo says:

    Thanks Mark, I’ll give it a go.

  • Mark says:

    Hi Billo.
    Have you tried the Bonus Bagging arbing software as it sound like what you need.

  • Kevin says:

    Hi John,

    No we don’t have any experience of this service. We may review it when they get some more bookmakers on board.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • billo says:

    Simple request. Free bets.
    Hi. I have the ZRT software and have been using it to turn free bet offers in to real money by backing with the bookies listed and laying with betfair. I have then started using other bookies and backing football etc and laying with betfair, but it takes ages to scan the markets manually. I am not looking for arbs necessarily, just odds that are close enough to tie in a small loss and take advantage of the free bets.
    The ideal software for me would include all bookies that do free bet offers and compare them to betfair lay prices to identify minimal loss situations. If there was an automated function that loaded up the bets, all the better.
    I wonder if anyone can help?
    Thanks
    billo

  • john says:

    Hi,

    I am pondering over buying a betfair racing arbitrage software called spymare.

    They have a 3 day trial which id obt feel is enough to fully assess if its right for me our not.Have you or any readers had any experience with this or are you planning to review it anytime soon?

    Thanks,

    John

  • Terry says:

    Sorry, Kevin,I obviously jumped the gun. Thanks for posting that link SF, it explains why he kept putting things off until the ninth. He knew exactly what he was going to do and when.
    Of course he’s using that as protection because given his methods I feel he was running a pyramid scheme rather than a tipster service.
    After my first payment he came back to say he felt I would be better off with a bigger involvement. I told him I considered I was adequately covered so he then offered to ‘loan’ me a further amount matched to any further payment I made. The ‘loan’ would be pid back after the ‘term’ has ended. Which as we all know now never arrived.
    I think he has carefully played his game and I unfortunately didn’t keep accurate records which means I can’t really go to the police or trading standards. I would if I had kept those records as I’m convinced they would be interested in his methods.

  • SF says:

    Hi

    Unfortunately, Darren Hudson Wood has been made bankrupt as Jan 10th 2014… sorry to bear the bad news.

    Here are more contact details if you wish to view further.

    A guy called John Rees has set up this forum, and here’s his email address, if you wish to contact him – jrees@microdatainc.co.uk

    regards

  • David Pfennighausen says:

    Which is a better roulette system and why? Fisher or jagger. Thanks Dave

  • Kevin says:

    Hi Terry,

    They weren’t removed or taken down. All comments have to be approved and I have only just approved them.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Terry says:

    Like Dysonic and Colin I also experienced problems with Darren Hudson Wood. I did make two posts on him yesterday but for some reason the moderator has removed them. No explanation, no email, just took them down. It would be nice if the moderator could be kind enough to explain as there was nothing in either of them that could be misconstrued.
    It seems that he has sold his horses and shut down his websites. Doesn’t look like there’s any chance of us being paid.

  • Terry says:

    Just to add to my earlier post. It appears that yesterday he sold one of his horses. Loyal Royal is now owned by the trainer Milton Bradley from 09/01/2014.
    Mmmm?

  • Terry says:

    Just picked up this site and thread. I too have had problems with Darren Hudson Wood. As with others I am due outstanding monies which after several broken promises had been due yesterday the ninth. Today after emailing him I received an automatic reply saying he was unable to reply but will do so on the 19th of this month.(January 2014).
    This has been dragging on for nearly a year and I have noticed he goes to great lengths to ensure that members cannot find other members. I queried this when I noticed his email headers only ever contained one address. He said that all his members were addressed in one email and that it must have been a technical fault. Another lie as not one email ever contained more than the one. He has hidden behind email faults, being unwell for so long it is difficult to tell truth from fiction.

  • dysonic says:

    Thanks to Colin for imput over a Darren Hudson Wood. Things are still the same, latest promise was refunds on Jan 9th 2014. but received email today saying he has been ill, so payments might be delayed .AGAIN,are there other people out there,besides Colin and myself who are having problems getting there money back.

  • colin says:

    im having the same problem as dysonic with darren hudson-wood… would be interested if others are having issues with him

    colin

  • Site Admin James James says:

    Sorry Colin. We have no history as far as i can see but it would be great if you could give us more information.

    James

  • dysonic says:

    has anybody had anything to do with a Darren Hudson-Wood,tipster,betting and horse owner.I am having a lot of trouble getting money owed to me from him!thanks

  • Kevin says:

    Hi Ken,

    I did reply to you on Friday from SOS help desk. I will send you another reply from BST so please look out for that in next few minutes.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Kenneth Anstiss says:

    Hi Kevin,

    Sorry to contact through this post, but can’t get any replies form the help desk.

  • Mez says:

    I bought globalsoccergoals.com last week and its off to a flyer won almost 30 points in first week alone. beginners luck maybe, but the system has a lot of sense behind it and i have a good feeling about it.

    early days yet but heres hoping. maybe one for betting system truths to take a look at?

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Howard,

    Thanks for that info. I’ve sent you an email.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Howard says:

    Hi Kevin

    The link below is the only thing I can find about them online. It doesn’t tell you anything really.

    http://www.businessopportunitywatch.com/review-select-services-premier-gain-mark-jennings-kerr.htm

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Howard,

    No not heard of them. If you have any more info on them please let me know.

    Does anybody else have any experience of them.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Howard says:

    Hi Guys
    Has anybody done a review on Premier in North Yorkshire. I have had a letter from them which is quite impressive, but at £59 a month appears to be a little expensive. I would love to hear if anybody has had any experience of them.

    Best Regards Howard

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Tony,

    It’s been put on hold for now but James is still planning on doing it.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Stewart,

    Former Review Manager Rich did a review of Assured Soccer Profits on Lay The Odds when that was under the same ownership and gave it 3 stars.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Stewart says:

    Hi
    Has anyone done a review of Assured Soccer Profits by John Duncan

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Huw,

    I’ll see what I can do.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • TonyT says:

    Hi BST

    Whats happened to that betting tipster competition you were talking about a few months ago? I have been waiting and waiting for the first review or results. Is it still happening?

    Kind regards

    T

  • huw says:

    any chance of doing a review of matt houghtons goal-den formula?

  • AndyR says:

    Hi

    Would like to know if anyone is using Magic Money Laying system?

    Results on website look impressive.

    Regards

    AndyR

  • jenner001 says:

    HELP, I would like to know if anyone knows about Blackmarket football, they have been around for sometime now, they do Asion betting. they also charge £120 a selection, losers replaced,can anyone out there, throw a little light on this. Thankyou.

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Steve,

    I’ll send you an email about FL.

    Yes Little Acorns is doing well at the moment – shame about the job messing it up.

    We’re reviewing Greyhound Master Tipster at the moment which is going well so that may be something to look at. I’ll see if we can get another Greyhound service reviewed in the near future. If anybody has any suggestions/requests for a Greyhound Service or any other service/system for that matter just send a request in to the help desk which you can access from the Need Answers? menu top right of the site and then there’s an option in there for Help Desk.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • STEVE says:

    hi’ Kevin, yes I noticed the Thomas as well. it’s a shame the ratings went down I was doing quite well dutching the selections. I have been dutching selection with the FL software on paper but haven’t as yet had the same success but I’ll keep trying. have also been going along quite nicely with little acorns but I have got a job where I get in later so that’s buggered that up a bit. i may have to look for something to keep me ticking over in the evening. any good greyhound tipsters out there. thanks for your time and keep it up with all the great information.

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Steve,

    A few more warning flags:-

    1) they claim that the website will be taken down in a few hours – that is against Clickbank terms of service to claim false scarcity

    2) they have no disclaimer – all products sold via Clickbank have to include this statement on the sales page

    ClickBank is the retailer of this product. CLICKBANK® is a registered trademark of Click Sales, Inc., a Delaware corporation located at 917 S. Lusk Street, Suite 200, Boise Idaho, 83706, USA and used by permission. ClickBank’s role as retailer does not constitute an endorsement, approval or review of this product or any claim, statement or opinion used in promotion of this product.

    3) It is supposed to be from somebody called David McMillan but the sales page is signed off by someone called Thomas.

    Good luck to anyone who does buy this as I am not sure you will get your money back even though it is sold via Clickbank as the vendor doesn’t appear to be an approved vendor. As James says if the vendor comes forward we’ll be happy to review it but we have no way of contacting them to request a review.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    First of all the site has no terms of service, privacy policy or contact details listed. This is strange because even clickbank require this basic data to process payments for the vendor. It must have been taken off after they were approved to receive payments. This tells a story of its own.

    The claims on the site are shady at best from a personal observation. Even if we wanted to ask them for a review copy we couldn’t. I also personally never trust betting system sellers whose first name and surname is made up of two first names for example “Daniel Craig”, let alone two surnames! “Clark Wilson!” Very imaginative indeed.

    If i was a betting man I would say this was a website that has had great care taken when selecting the graphics designer but, a very poor show with representing the actual product on sale.

    There is also no backed up results or third party proofing that can be verified.

    Look i am obviously kidding about the name thing! I am not going to criticise anyone with names I have mentioned but, often I know within 10 seconds of hitting a site whether 1) it has a clickbank button at the bottom without having to scroll down! And 2) If it can be trusted whether it be for £27 or £297.

    There may well be up-sells after the £27 to draw you in at a cheap price and remember its never about the initial investment. All systems and services have the potential to wipe out your bank which puts them on an even keel.

    This unfortunately fails with every chance i gave it. However, if the vendor comes forward we would only be to happy to review it for 3 months.

    Thanks,
    James

  • STEVE says:

    hi James, I have three people sending me to the same link, ‘insider bets’, ‘the cricket tipster’ who are both from loughborough road, nottingham. and ‘100% free winners’ who are from lenton business centre also in Nottingham. if you google secretfootballloophole and click on that top link and then the next one, this is the site.

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Hi Steve it would be great for you to give us more information about the sender and we can help with a conclusion.

    James :)

  • STEVE says:

    Hi All, just had a couple of e-mails about a ‘secret football loophole’ which guarantees a win every time you place a bet. Does anyone know what this is about and what it involves. they give no information as to what it is. cheers, steve.

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Steve,

    I think you’ll find it has only just been released but if anyone has any experience please post.

    We’ll see if we can get a review of it.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • steve says:

    Hi Guy’s
    Has anyone heard of Stuart Whiteheads – Betting Apprentice System
    if so is it any good ?

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Dave,

    Yes we’ll be starting a review of Soccer Security Net this week.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • Dave Panther says:

    I would be interested in a review of soccer security net by steve davidson
    if posible please.

    Many Thanks
    Dave Panther

  • Pete Blackett says:

    Has anyone got a spreadsheet they can email me so I can track my horse racing win bets and place/each way bets please?

    If so can you email me a copy to pete.blackett@gmail.com

    Thank you.

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    @ Billy

    No we haven’t. I’ll see if it’s something we can review in the future.

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Sorry Eddie not got any information on this.

    Can you provide more info please?
    James

  • Billy says:

    Hi have you got a review of The Balay System??

  • eddie reid says:

    Good morning I just received a letter from the midas consortium
    can I ask you please do you know of any information on this
    service be very greatfull to you for any feedback thank you
    very much eddie

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    @ Kevin

    The average is just over 6 races per day.

    Best regards,
    Kevin

  • kevin says:

    Hi,

    I am interested in buying allbythebook can anybody tell me how many races a day I would have to put on.

    Many thanks

    Kevin

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Hi Rob only ever heard bad feedback form this. They are always spamming UK addresses with their newsletter.

    Never heard a good word about them if I am honest. I could be wrong though.

    Cheers
    James

  • rob wardle says:

    hi,
    have you ever tested the brimardon system it seems to have been around for a good few years, but has mixed messages on forums?

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    No not yet Billy but that could be arranged.

    James

  • Billy says:

    Hi i wonder have you done a review of The Balay System

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Hi Don.

    I believe the cash generator is a copy of the life system.

    Available for free.

    Cheers
    James

  • Don Hirons says:

    I would like to see comments on a new selection system called CASH GENERATOR, BIG PROFIT claims ??? claims Sounds too good to be true ???
    Thank You Don Hirons

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Hi Clayton.

    All By The Book receives rave reviews on BST. Always has and it is our top product.

    Bonus Bagging received 4.5 stars.

    Cheers
    James

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Hi Paul.

    I have just the ticket mate.

    https://fjt88658.infusionsoft.com/go/rdbp/bettingsystemtruths/

    £19.75 per month or £49.75 per quarter
    Michael is constantly developing features
    There is a very active forum.

    Hope this helps,
    James

  • clayton says:

    Hi, I have built up a bank using bonus bagging with little to no risk . I am very interested in The all by the book system which seems to offer a low risk approach that I have become use to. Do you think this will suit.
    Regards,
    Clayton

  • Paul. Q. says:

    Hi James i am looking for the anyone who could give me good speed ratings could you recommend anyone

    Thanks Paul

  • Site Admin James James Fitzmaurice says:

    Not yet David but something we can look into.

    Cheers
    James

  • david says:

    hi all i was wondering if any of u guys tried out bettors alliance or black hat betting and if so is it making a profit thanks
    david

  • Steve Allen says:

    What’s happened to the Betfair Domination review?
    No update since the 27th April.

  • John says:

    Nice one, looking forward to that!

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi John,

    We’ve contacted The Secret Tipster and they don’t want us to review them at the moment as the football season is coming to an end but we’ll hopefully have a review from the start of next season.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi John,

    We’ll contact them and see if they will allow us to run a review.

  • John says:

    Can one of you guys trial http://www.thesecrettipster.com

    Its not the same person as before, everyone is rating him on facebook.

    Regards

    John

  • Arthur says:

    Is the total betting club worth joining. They advertise the pro ball betting club, it is £47.00 per month. Have you any info on them as well?

    Cheers, A.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Thanks for the Warning Eric. When Kev see’s this he will do the necessary.

    You heard the man. Beware of Betting Bots World Wide…

    James

  • Paul says:

    I suggest you remove Magic Backing Bot from ‘Passed 3 out of 5 Stars’ to the ‘done a runner’ section, if you have one.

    I bought a lifetime membership in Nov 2011. As of beginning of Sept 2012, no selections received or loaded into bot.
    Adam Wilson, the author seems to have done a runner with my money….. no response to any emails.
    I opened a problem ticket with BettingBotsWorldwide who dealt with technical bot problems.
    No response until I chased them up, at which point they said they had contacted Adam Wilson and he had a serious family illness and would be back online asap…..that old chestnut,eh?…..but gave them the benefit of the doubt.
    A month went by and nothing happened. Followed up with another rqst for update on tkt….. no response.
    Another month, another rqst for update …… no response.
    Another month and a question as to why my update rqsts were being ignored……. still no response so I advised them I would be contacting Paypal to get them blacklisted as a seller.
    Next time I tried to look at ticket…… it’s been deleted.

    I still get the odd email from support@magicracingbot.com advertising/promoting other systems. However, all attempts at getting a response from them result in being ignored.

    So, BEWARE – DO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING FROM ADAM WILSON, MAGIC RACING or BETTING BOTS WORLDWIDE.

  • Glenn Stevenson says:

    Is the BST horse tipping service going to be available again in the future?? A subscription was made availabe through FTS however I could not take advantage of it at the time. Also have you ever done a review of FTS? I dont see it on your list

  • James says:

    @BST Admin:

    Hi Does anyone know what has happened to the Colin Leafe site it seems to have disappeared also where is the final review??

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Don
    Yes we got the same as you so we are not really sure what is happening with their site.

    BST Admin

  • Don Hirons says:

    I tried to purchase the Form Finder Pro and keep getting a blank page when I check the Pay Pal Buy, If this is working tomorrow I will try again, Maybe you can check the area mentioned. ??? Thank You Don Hirons

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi James
    And a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New year to you and your family, this greeting goes to all our readers too.

    From All at BST Towers

  • james says:

    Wishing everyone at BST a very Merry Xmas and a most prosperous New Year.
    Keep up the good work!!!

  • james says:

    @Alan:

    Crying out loud Alan,1 day!! and you think you have been scammed!!
    There hasn’t been much in the way of decent football in the last couple of days and if your thinking of recouping your outlay before Xmas or before the wife finds out your definitely in the wrong game.You seem to be in a rush,gently bentley.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Alan
    If you had only subscribed the day before perhaps there was no selections yet, have you received any since you made this comment?. If you have not, have you tried contacting the vendor to see what is happening?.

  • Alan says:

    Not sure where I can post to. Think I have been scammed from Football World Profits. I have subscribed this since yesterday. Still no selections given me by email. My blood starts to get boiling. Really! Anyone heard of this. Please please let me know. Bloody waste of money for nothing on Christmas. My wife will kill me :-(

  • Anthony says:

    That comment should have read: ‘Monday to the following Sunday’ rushed it 😉

  • Anthony says:

    Just received the e-mail for the ‘Win More’ video series, weren’t these 2 guys previously associated with one Hadyn Ellen?
    If you really want to win a lot of money from horse racing regularly you will need to specialise, be an excellent judge of horse racing form and know when to bet, the only way to get there is research, research and more research!
    Of course it will help if you also have excellent math and database programming skills but self discipline is the real key to success.
    Tip: If the form of any race is highly competitive or indefinable then leave it alone, you should concentrate your efforts on finding a single bet each day that is offered at ‘backable’ odds where it faces much weaker (or poorly handicapped) opposition when it is at its peak in terms of form and fitness, being either proven, progressive, promising or improving, is likely to be competently ridden and is from a stable noted for sending out ‘triers’, anything else you find each day should only be backed if it is of comparable confidence or strength.
    My betting week runs from Saturday to the following Sunday, results last week at SP were all winners at odds of 2/1, 7/2, 11/10, 7/2, 12/1 & 7/4. Clue: The 12/1 shot was Mortimers Cross, totally ignored by the racing press! Keep winning!!!

  • John Childs says:

    And guess what! Even as I wrote the last note I received a Best Bet. No explanation, apology, excuse for all the missed days. Despite receiving this my complaints remain. What comeback does a punter have when there is no respose from the adviser to any email?
    Jachil

  • John Childs says:

    In June I purchased Best Bets Daily from Profit World. This Was £199 for a years’ advices. and got from E-bay. Initially profits were ok and emails arrived on time. Then some days were missed and profits became less good. When no advices arrived I sent an email which usually worked. Not long ago recent results were sent and included a 16-1 winner; I received no email on that day which I complained about. In the last several weeks advices became fewer and fewer and results poor. The last advice received was Nov 19th – a no-bet day! Since then nothing. I have tried emailing with no effect; I have asked for half my money back No reply. I have never had any response from this adviser. He is still advertising Football tips, Sports Betting etc for £199, however. I wonder if anyone else has had a similar experience or has any ideas how to deal with this situation . Jachil

  • chinawall says:

    With Golden Star you mention that the level stakes profit of 159pts is eyecatching.
    In the review there is no mention of this.
    Is this every match backing the draw at 1pt, 4pts or 5pts or some other interpretation.
    John

  • mike says:

    hi guys, wondering has anyone used zerohype banker and if so what were results. I also have been thinking of buying michaels place lay formula but from what have i read on different sites it seem to be a bit hit and miss has anyone had any experience with this system, any feedback greatly appreciated.

  • philip says:

    Hi Guys

    As a former reviewer on this site, thought I might just give you a heads up on the latest “fantastic system” ……. called Betting Super Profits, anyway this is the hype.. a 31 year old maths teacher has found the secrets to Betfair profits blah blah followed by:

    Finally, there’s a secret system that:

    1) Has Produced 139 Winning Bets In 2012 Alone

    2) Doesn’t Have Any Long Losing Streaks With An Incredible 65.8% Strike Rate

    3) Can Be Used By Anyone… Even With No Prior Betting Experience

    4) Only Take A Few Minutes To Use Each Day

    5) Has Produced A Six Figure Profit This Year

    Now here is the weird bit, in 2009 there was a system called “Betfair Edge” which had a different named 31 year old maths teacher who had found the holy grail, then followed the comments:

    Finally, there’s a secret system that:

    1) Has Produced 139 Winning Bets In 2009 Alone

    2) Doesn’t Have Any Long Losing Streaks With An Incredible 65.8% Strike Rate

    3) Can Be Used By Anyone… Even With No Prior Betting Experience

    4) Only Take A Few Minutes To Use Each Day

    5) Has Produced A Six Figure Profit This Year

    I hope you see the similarities! My advice as a seasoned professional – and former “Sergeant”, do not touch this with a barge pole!!

    Cheers

    Philip

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Mark
    We will take a look at this one and see if it is worth a review.

  • mark says:

    @BST Admin:

    can you review edge investor

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Mez
    We hope do be reviewing this one in due course.

  • Mez says:

    Hi guys,

    Will there be a review of the newly released Golden Soccer Star?

    I got an email about it and the results look unreal. +4600 points for last season.

    Obviously the football season hasn’t started yet so people can’t really comment too much. But has anyone bought it and have any first impressions?

    Hope to see a future review on it so I can make decision whether or not to buy?

    Thanks

    p.s. I didn’t include the link as I didn’t know if this is against the website rules

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Mark
    Thanks for sending us the link appreciated, we did eventually get a link we are just seeing if it is worthwhile reviewing.

  • MarkW says:

    @BST Admin:
    Got sent a marketing link for Pyramid Picks today.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Paul
    We done some searching for Pyramid Picks we cannot locate a proper website for it, unless we can find one it is most unlikely that we will review it. Thanks for the compliment on the site we do our best.

  • paul says:

    hi.have you any plans to trial pyramid picks.i just bought it and it looks awful.in a example in the manual it gives a horse that qualified as a pick but on the screenshot they had backed a different horse.i’m usually careful when it comes to buying systems.but think i’ve been well and truly done on this one.great site by the way.take it easy.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Steve
    Currently no, but we are checking out the site to see if it is worth running a review on it, thanks for information.

  • Steve says:

    Hi. Are you going to review Market Judge Declared Betting ?

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Ballymoyer
    This was dealt with by the former Review Manager but we cannot find any information, but with the launch of James Ratings which also has speed and form ratings it is unlikely that they would want to have a review done.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Chris
    We will found the website certainly the results look good don’t they always, we will e-mail them and see if they are interested in a review.

  • chris says:

    Hi Great Baghwan of betting,
    I have been emailed regarding Virtualhighflyers
    have you any info on this
    cheers
    chris

  • ray Lindley says:

    Thanks for your reply I wish you well with your horse ratings

  • Site Admin Kevin says:

    Hi Ray,

    1: its not a system and we’re not giving betting advise. What people do with the ratings is upto them. There is actually no system to test.

    2: even if I did set up a review it wouldn’t be seen as independant anyway.

    3: I’m not going to set up 10k free user accounts as we will get half the bst users wanting the ratings for free, when there will only be 200 to 300 who will be serious about joining and who may purchase.

    4: there is already 169 members who have bought. We will close the ratings for bst members at 300. If we don’t reach the 300 members we will continue to promote the ratings as much as possible to fill the spaces.

    5: there is a 30 day money back guarantee. Which highlights my confidence in the quality of the ratings and service provided.

    6: we post all comments on bst that are not derogatory towards bst admin, readers and product vendors. Posts that are derogatory towards product vendors must be backed up with your address, phone number and full name should the vendor wish to take legal action.

    Cheers
    James

  • ray Lindley says:

    Hi After listening to your webinaar I was quite amused that you were selling this system without going through your independent raters
    I have only been a member of BST for 8 month and have purchased Best by the book and other systems which were top rated I always read your independent reviewers and will not be purchasing your system without going through this procedure Of course if you are prepared to give a month free ratings to your subcriber then if it is successful then I may part with by my hard earned cash
    P.S I will be surprised if you post this response .
    I will also will be very surprised if you get 250 members to part with there cash without a free trial run or more information to backup your claims

  • Ballymoyer says:

    Hi
    On March 26 Keith Guest asked about Paceform. I am interested in speed and race ratings and would like to know what the response was from Paceform when you contacted them.
    regards
    Ballymoyer

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Mirek
    We have tried to see if reliablebetfairprofits has a website so we can check them out so far no joy.

  • Miroslav Krecek says:

    Dear admin,

    First of all, nice web.

    Second..do you plan on review for reliablebetfairprofits

    It is new and I see it today on the betfair forum.

    I have an interest because they ‘say’ money back guarantee.

    Regards

    Mirek

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Brian
    The Triple H Horseracing review actually finished on April 21st we are checking now how Colin is getting on with his Final Review.

  • Brian cosgrove says:

    @Redback: Hello james , welcome back !
    I have been trying to find the review for triple h horseracing , it seems to have disapearer ,is there a reason for this

    \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\brian

  • Redback says:

    I have a general question I would like to ask. Would you say most folk use a combination of systems and if so would anybody like to post what are the top 3 they use. I don’t mean just on the star ratings but the top 3 they have the most success with so maybe we could all corellate that information.

    I am very new to the game, live in Australia and find with the time difference I have to be more selective. Considering our commission on Betfair just went up to 6.5% I am definetely looking at the UK races more extensively.

    I have just purchased PBP (that was my first ever purchase) and then found out that Aussies can’t subscribe to Paddy Power. I know there are alternatives, so any ideas would be welcome. I do use BF.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Mathew
    It can only be used on UK racing.

  • mathew hanlan says:

    I live in Australia can i use `all by the book 2 ` on australian racing or can it only be used on UK racing ??

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Pete first of all thanks for being part of the review sites. Your one of 9000 regular readers here although most readers prefer never to post comment.

    1) Layformula I had improved this system 2 years ago and have been testing it for the past 2 years with the new system rules which will be Lay Formula 2.0. I did not want to sell the system until i had properly tested it and 2 years of data later its still going well. I think somewhere near 3 years of results and I’d let that go out again for resale. However I am reluctant to do so because of the way betting systems seem to go as soon as released. I was lucky the first time i suppose that Layformula only ever got raving reviews and the only reason why folk never profited with it was because either they had not enough time to perform the criteria of the system or didnt actually bother and bought the next pdf released onto the market. There is to much at stake for me to release a pony system, not that i am saying LF2 is pony. Just that anything can happen in betting. I’m not sure I want to take that risk.

    3) Any support for Ross products really need to go through his FL support channel. LTO and BST are completely seperate entities to Ross FL software and any other products associated with Ross. I’m sorry I cannot answer your questions regarding Ross software as I do not use it, please contact Ross support team and they will help you with any problems your having im sure.

    I would like to keep all support on LTO and BST strictly to reviews and LTO-BST business and not have Ross products intermingled with these sites. LTO and BST have a combined 13 year history of being Betting related content sites and they will remain that way :)

    Cheers
    James

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Pete
    This is BST Admin we can answer number 2 the rating for Betfair Miracle was based on what the system achieved during the review period. Now we could be looking at reviewing some of the previous reviews again to see how they fare now and if they are still as effective.

    We are sure James and Ross will comment on Questions 1 and 3.

  • Pete says:

    James,

    Good to see you back. I have a few points/questions and it would be nice to get some answers.

    1) The Lay Formua you released some time ago, has it changed much and if so how can we/I get hold of the recommended changes?

    2) I have brought Betfair Miricale some time ago and paid for the monthly tips to be emailed each month and can say that it did not produce the returns it promised over at least a 10 month period. But you see have it on your site as a highly rated product. There are very mixed reviews on the Internet also alot more negative than positive. Why is it still on this site and will it be down rated or removed?

    3) Question for Ross.
    Hello Ross, I have brought your product FL Horse Racing Software and to be honest I am still struggling a bit to be able to change settings so it can produce the top two rated or produce selections that can be bet on in the place market on Betfair. I have even sent you the rules from the system and the response back to to was I am not sure what you are trying to do.
    I am looking for help and advice from you please and was a little disappointed in the reply because I think you are one of the good guys out there. How can I get help with the above please?
    Best of luck with James mate.

    Thank you for your time boys and I look forward to some positive replys.

    Pete

    PS In the Ross/James video you said there was another review site that is not what it seems. So I can avoid the site can you please email me it and let me know.

    Thank you

    Pete

  • eddie reid says:

    thank you very much for your help with ken wilson
    very greatfull to you your service is first class
    eddie please take care

  • keith says:

    @Andrew:are there any plans to review the early bird horse system in the near future,

  • Andrew says:

    Zcode ? has any one heard of this and are they any good ?

    Andrew

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Keith
    Yes Smart Trader is still alive Sgt Howard has updated some of the results today.

  • keith says:

    @BST Admin:
    is the smart race trader still a live review ?

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Eddie
    We have no experience of this gentleman but we did do a google search using the criteria Ken Wilson Newmarket work rider and the postings on the various sites were less than positive, so we would advise caution here. Bloggers have any of you had dealings with this gentleman please post your comments good or bad.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Keith
    We agree that the results look good and our Admin Manager Kevin is now seeing if they would be interested in BST doing a review of their ratings. Has any of you bloggers out there tried Paceform, if so we would value you your comments.

  • eddie reid says:

    good morning i think i have scamed sent money to a man called
    ken wilson suposed to be a work rider at newmarket
    please let me know any info on this man be very greatfull
    so you for doing so eddie thank you very much

  • Keith Guest says:

    I have received an email from paceform, their results look impressive, do you have any information about them?.

    Keith

  • Ben Fulmans says:

    @Chris Hacker: I have been betting with sportsbettingstar as well and they are really good. It is sad that another website would steal sportsbettingstar picks for monetary gain. I wrote chad an email and let him know about this sportsbettinglegend site stealing his picks

  • adrian says:

    @Review Admin Rich:
    Thank you Rich for your reply. Thank you for E Mail received. I have replied via my ISP. I also received a reply from the vendor Steve Davidson. He said he had just lost his son so, now I feel really guilty and chastined for my impatience.

  • Review Admin Rich says:

    @adrian:
    Hi Adrian

    I have been ill this week, so have been unable to put as much time in as usual.

    But I am NOT Richard Van Orden. So blame me for the lack of reply, not him.

    I can’t say for certain that it will work for you – not being the designer or vendor of the software. But it works on MY laptop running under Win 7 and IE9.

    The software displays all the day’s races – it doesn’t display in a browser window – it is its own application. You simply select each race and click the “Get stats” button for that race. If there is a recommended lay bet it is shown, if not you go on to the next race.

    It is a little time-consuming and tedious to click every race for the whole day and you do need to note down the lays when they are displayed, the software does not save them for you. You can do this in the morning, before racing as this stage does not rely on the odds available.

    Then you would use whatever you normally use to place your lays just before the off-time of the race – either the Betfair website or a bot/interface, whatever you normally use.

    Lucian’s review gives you the time before the bell that he places the lay bet and he also gives the range of odds that he accepts.

  • adrian says:

    I have been trying to contact Richard Van orden regarding the spectacular Greyhound Lay Pro and ask a question, but at this time he has not replied. Can you help please. here is the missive.
    Hi Rich

    I have been very impressed with the above program. The results are spectacular. However, before purchasing, I want to make absolutely sure that it loads onto my PC using Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 9. Why am I showing concerns? Because when I bought another greyhound program recently that claimed to load the greyhounds racing cards using a technique called ‘Screen Scraping’ of Internet Explorer 9, it didn’t work. It gave me no Drop Down Box of the days greyhounds, (In fact it only loaded 1 greyhound after a scan, and that was it): How does Greyhound Lay Pro get its
    selections? Does it use an Interface such as Bet Fair or, do I have to subscribe to a racing site to get all the days dogs and then manually click on each race to let the software do it’s business?

    Thank you for all your help. Great review.Adrian

    I also wrote to Steve Davidson the inventor of this program but he has not replied also. I would like to buy this system but I have no confidence if I am not receiving the grace of a reply from the mentors. Thank you

  • IanF says:

    @Luigi:
    Hi Luigi,
    Ron Robinsons results are discretionary, so there is mno such thing as proof. Though if you sign up for his free daily email you can not only see his previous day’s ratings, advice and the results (not in cash terms); but also get some free tips for races of low quality – i.e ones he will only back to low stakes.

    Re Bet4mula – I bet now you wish you had signed up for that one. For sound systems, the best time to start following is after on losing run. So I would tend not to susbcribe at times like the present. My only problem with it at present is that I like to see a couple of losing days before increasing my stakes – so I haven’t had the opportunity recently.

    The same guy (Paul Morris) has a football system based upon bet4mula out – and it too is doing rather well.

    @Rich,
    I know what you the vast majority of threads there (including the ones i mentioned) are NOT pirated systems, in fact one of them is now set up as a commercial tips and so is no longer free. Having said that, the results turned to custard when it went commercial.

    I have never knowingly given links or any details of any commercial systems out on this or any other Forum.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  • Chris Hacker says:

    I got scammed by them. I have been following a betting system called Sportsbettingstar. I figured I would try sports betting legend. These guys are basically stealing their picks from the website sportsbettingstar and selling them for $75 more. This site is fraudulant

  • Daveyboy says:

    @Dazzler:
    Dazzler,

    I received it last week after MONTHS of sending emails EVERY day.
    I pestered him to death – must have eventually got fed up with me.
    He is NOT to be trusted – lied to me saying it was in the post, etc, etc
    Daveyboy.

  • Josh Kenny says:

    hi everyone, im new to this kind of thing i was wondering if anyone has heard of http://www.sportsbettinglegend.com ?, i subscribed to them about a week ago and so far i have had 2 winning tips (out of 2), i was wondering if anyone else has had any experience with this system???

  • Dazzler says:

    @Daveyboy:

    Daveyboy,

    I am having the exact same trouble mate? Have you received your cheque yet?

  • maneman says:

    Hello everyone,

    I am very pleased to have stumbled upon this site. The level of honesty, knowledge and forthright approach to betting is impressive to say the least.

    Although perfection is only what one can strive for it’s never if ever achieved despite our futile attempts. However, it appears that many on here strive to be fair, diligent and conscientious, at least that’s the impression I have initially formed of Betting System Truths.

    Currently, I am using the Magic Backing Bot or to be more correct, I’ve just stopped using it live as I feel from the performance recently that this is going nowhere fast. Coupled of course with the reviews on this site I have decided to quit whilst still ahead as I did manage to experience a brief purple patch prior to Christmas. Alas, January has been very much downhill along with the weather.

    Have subscribed to ABTB and Golden Key as a result of the reviews here and also running Bet2Win, ASP and Winning Trainers prior to discovering Betting System Truths.

    Have done some trials and reviews in the past, so have managed in the main to avoid the Rochdale road gang of thieves and the obvious scam merchants but it’s still a minefield out there with well meaning individuals few and far between.
    Does tend to make one rather cynical and wary of all the purveyors of this and that wonderful system and/or method that one almost concludes that one should be joining the band of betting system vendors and affiliates as that must be where it’s at; or is it?

  • paul says:

    hello everyone, what a great site. i have just been surfing, and came across a site called nbabettingclub.com. i saw the results on wagertracker.com, and got directed to the site. it claims decent profit, and is giving away free nba tips, but has only been proofed for the last few days, and was wondering if anyone had ever heard anything of it? cheers guys

  • paceman says:

    @andystiger: I use the system,only prob quite a few selections go unmatched.Quite often you are laying 10/1 about a 5/1 shot,but saying that at present it is in profit

  • Daveyboy says:

    Kachina Racing
    Chris Geek, owner of Kachina Racing, has been promising me a refund for a failed sysytem for weeks and weeks saying cheque is in the post.
    Well, it is not.
    Please do not have anything to do with him or his company – you will dissappointed and out of pocket.
    Daveyboy.

  • Luigi says:

    @IanF:

    Hi Ian,
    thanks for sharing the services that you use, I’ve decided that I will try Bonus Bagging and probably also Ex-Bookie (seems Bet4mula has hit a nasty loosing run). You mention also Rob Robinsons service, do you know if it’s possible to check his past results? Apart from the testimonials on his page I wasn’t able to find anything and at 120 pounds for the gold season ticket I would feel better if I could see some proof

    Cheers

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    @IanF:
    Hi Ian
    If you don’t mention sites that pirate other people’s work, there will be no need to censor

    I’m sorry you are too busy to be a reviewer for us. We are just a handful of individuals and it is a work-intensive job to bring these sites and these reviews to you.

    It will help us enormously if your contributions don’t promote stolen goods – I’m sure you understand.

    Thanks for letting us know about Ron’s charity site.

  • IanF says:

    @Review Manager Rich:
    Regarding the ‘Site censored’ . When I put in the post on the ABTB thread, it was edited and the name oth the sie was replaced with the phrase @Site censored due to its nature’.

    I did not atempt to put in any actual links, just enough information that interested parties could use Google to find the relevant sies.

    I got the idea of 3 mionth betting banks from seeing you reviews and also from the comment from the previous review manager about the performance of Betfair Miracle after its 12 week review here had finished.

    I am far to busy to be a Reviewer for you, though its nice to know that you think I might have the right qualities. When I first visited this site, I had a shortage of ideas/systems for my betting. Now I have too many to follow up. For example I have designed or been given a total of 23 horse racing systems from the Adrian Massey website’s database. All of which are theoretically long term profitabel ( > 4yrs with no unprofitable years). But they are all niche systems which require too long for me to operate.

    My latest betting discovery is Ron Robinson’s ratings and advice. He is trying to raise money for charities associated with Horseracing and used to give out his daily information for free. But the tight B4st4rd5 who visited his site didn’t donate (as requested), so now he charges a pittance for it. And I mean a pittance :
    All his advice plus part ownership of 3 horses in training for £500 per year.
    The above without the horse ownership for £120 – thats 33p per day!
    Plus 2 cheaper packagesl.

    Oh and did I say that his betting advice ( maiunly dutchibg) is red hot right now, and that he has NEVER had a losing Lay (though has only done 26 so far).

    Thats enough for now,
    Ian

    P.S Bet4mula is by the same guy who does Ex-Bookie except it is his System rather than his value selections.

  • Craig says:

    Hi I have a new tipping service, and I have almost completed the website. I know that to have it reviewed here or on http://www.laytheodds.com requires an affiliate plan, and was just wondering if anyone had any advise, of what site to use etc? thanks for any help

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    @ian josephs:

    Thanks Ian. We would be happy to review your systems on here. Our readers are always happy to see reviews of successful systems. Just contact me at BlogReviewManager@gmail.com

  • ian josephs says:

    I have originated several systems,all of which have passed 4 simple tests.
    1:-All systems show good profits in EACH of the last 7 years (verified quickly and easily on the Adrian Massey records site)
    2:- All horses are selected the evening BEFORE racing in ten minutes or less by clicking on line onto the Racing Post “tomorrow’s cards” .
    3:- All users select the same horses with no ambiguity whatever.
    4:-No system takes more than 50 words to define and most take less than half that number !

    How many of the systems you have reviewed pass these 4 simple tests?

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    @IanF:

    Thanks for the list Ian.

    We have already reviewed ExBookie on here (passed 3.5 stars). I am currently setting up a reviewer to do Triple H so that will be interesting to see. I get the Punterspal emails – I’ll have to give them some attention.

    Not sure what the – symbols you put in mean (am I being thick?) nor what the “Site censored” means. I haven’t censored or altered your message. But we wouldn’t want links, especially to dodgy sites.

    But thanks for your list. Do you fancy joining our team of reviewers? We basically do 12 week reviews, so you are in effect doing the same with your 3 month betting banks.

    Rich

  • yidoboy says:

    Hi all,i Is anyone using Money Talks system?.As i brought this system a few years ago,but didn’t use it for very long!.I am having probs finding the market movers list on R.Post.So if anyone could help me i would be very grateful.

  • IanF says:

    I was asked by Luigi on the ABTB comment thread about which tipsters/systems/methods are profitable for me.
    I tried to answer in that thread, but I have been asked to post it here instead because it isn’t about ABTB.

    @Luigi,

    I am not sure if I am allowed to mention the tipsters and sytems who are making me a profit. Nearly all of them have long losing runs. But i allocate a separate betting bank to each system/method/service I use and will keep it going (so long as some of the bank remains) for up to 3 months before rejecting it.
    I am a longer term portfolio style bettor. None of them have been reviewed here , or at LTO. Also I don’t know if the paid for ones are still taking new members.

    But here is a list of some (which may be censored):
    Ex-Bookie
    Bet4mula
    Bet2win/Punterspal
    handicapped horses – thread free on (Site censored due to its nature)
    correct score dutching – thread free on (Site censored due to its nature)
    Tripple H Horse Racing

    You should find something you like out of that lot.

    Ian

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    Hi Ian

    Please stick around. You have made some useful contributions, so far.

    Rich

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Ian the PDF was a kind gesture on my part. To complete the survey was a thankyou from yourself to our reviewers who do all this for free on a daily basis. It helps us guide them to review what the readers want.

    I’m sorry the PDF was not to your liking. It disappoints me to hear that. I put quite a lot of effort into it, and yes it was aimed at beginners as i stated in the opening introduction.

    The survey was there based on products we have reviewed in the past. It was no reflection on what type of reader we want. This is a free service and it is free to use. Sorry to lose you if you feel that way. I would ask that you reconsider.

    Cheers and have a great 2012.
    Richard Van Orden

  • IanF says:

    In respone to RVO’s survey.

    Hi Richard,
    I was surprised to find your Racing Learning curve PDf not worth the effort of completing the survey.
    I am only a novice Horse Racing Punter (18months experience) and could have written it myself.

    Perhaps I am not in your target audience, because I noticed that when asking about number of bets per day you only went up to 5+.
    Whilst I only wager a total of a few hundred pounds per day, I do make 30 to 50 bets, many on the same races because I use a portfolio of betting systems and services.

    I guess this is just one more indication that BST and LTO are probably no longer worth my while checking now.

    Disappointed,
    Ian Foster

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    @TRISTAN:

    Hi Tristan

    We reviewed “Profitable Lays” on our other site “LayTheOdds” and it failed its review.

    http://laytheodds.com/tag/profitable-lays/

  • TRISTAN says:

    Has anyone had any dealings with Profit Racing ? I’ve had a few emails from the system owner Chris Adams and just wondered if you’ve ever tested his claims. All the salesy blurb can be found on their website.

    Thanks guys

    PS: Just found your website – quality!!!!

  • Kris says:

    Hi Gav, leave Betting Booster well alone!! Various threads are bagging it, with ClickBank working overtime issuing refunds……

  • Gav says:

    Anybody got any comments on the BETTING BOOSTER software that appears to be the latest thing out at the moment

  • blake says:

    @Kris: on another note for bsw.com – they only appear to update the blog monthly – but in the past they have posted losses in the scrolling results bar – so they do admit losses.

  • blake says:

    @Kris: hi i am stilll using them and i signed up 4 months ago. the resultls are about right, they dont always offer high odds but the winning rate is awesome. tips dont come as often as they say but like i said – most of them win. from my last 50 tips 42 have won – but they have been down as low as $1.46 – good luck!

  • andystiger says:

    @Review Manager Rich: Thanks Rich look forward to seeing the outcome if poss.

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    @andystiger:

    Hi Andy

    I’m in touch with Steve to see if we can review it.

  • andystiger says:

    Anyone got any feed back on the greyhound lay pro ?. I got it a few weeks back and i am still paper trading with it , at present it is doing very well with a longest winning bet run of 42 & a longest losing run of 2 . I am interested in the longer term stability of it so if anyone could help it would be very much appreciated,been in touch with steve davidson the person i purchased it from & he was very helpfull seems a genuin bloke .cheers Andy

  • Robber says:

    Any 1 heard anything about or is using the win dominator which is being touted out by grey Samuels from absx system ????

  • Kris says:

    Thank you Rich.
    Daveyboy, I think BF is a lost cause. I e-mailed Ross to tell him his BF was actually BS, to his credit he did reply and offered me a free copy of his FL software as a condolence, as I was past the refund date. Does anybody have any thoughts or knowledge on his FL software?? I know Daveyboy was not a fan of FL.

  • Daveyboy says:

    Ross Turner Bettor Formula

    Another month another loss – 7 consecutive losing months.

    Terminal!!!!!

    Still no correspondence, explanation, or apology and still is not answereing emails.

    Daveyboy.

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    @Kris:

    Hi Kris, I’m not involved in that side of the website. But yes it appears to link through to Ross’s webpage.

  • Kris says:

    Hi Gordon,
    just a quickie: can you please tell me if the FL Horse Racing Software being advertised top right on this website is from Ross Turner?
    Cheers,
    Kris

  • konstantinos says:

    @jetpak: thanks mate.your info are really useful.in a month or so i will be back here to ask u again.so thanks again and good luck to u!

  • jetpak says:

    @konstantinos: Still too early to give you a definitive answer. I’d started the service mid September 2011 and broke even for the month. For October, I’m currently up 7 units thus far. They do update their results page on a weekly bases (albeit they took their time updating the Sept results) . You can cross check your results with it and so far they seem to be honest when they update their results. They did have a losing month for Sept, typical of Murphy’s law, joining the service on their first losing month ever (according to their 4 year track record). We shall see in the next few months if winning on average 20 units per month is possible as they claim.

  • Review Manager Rich says:

    I’ve added soccerbettingmasters.com to my list of possible new reviews. Thanks for the suggestion.

  • konstantinos says:

    hi jetpak……….i just checked this site …. well looks amazing i have to say but please give me some informations about it for the time u use it?….does it really works as they say…….i’m thinking of trying….thanks mate

  • jetpak says:

    Hi,

    Anybody have any long term experience with soccerbettingmasters.com. I’ve only just signup last month. Any feedback would be appreciated.

  • Daveyboy says:

    @Kris:
    Ref Ross Turner and Bettor Formula.
    I also purchased this and it has lost every month so far – 6 months – and the recommended 300 point banks has long gone. He started to send out updates and also answered emails. However, he was very rude in response to a frank email that I sent him and now does not answer any emails. I was also a founder member of his FL system and that never worked either. He said that he has retired from selling systems but I know he is still promoting them. I do not believe anything he says any more. I am also just saying it as it is. AVOID.

  • konstantinos says:

    hi everybody! i am from greece and i would like some informations for 2 sites i am checking : surewins.com and betsurewins.com …………… if their results are true…… well well well …… but i see not even a single loosing day on bsw.com and no games at all at surewins.com only +- units…..anyway thanks for your time….if someone has tried these sites please give informations.have a nice day all.

  • Kris says:

    G’day Gordon,
    just wondering if you might be able to help me ot with any info re. ‘SureWins’. Their latest offering claims to give you access to their ‘Club’ using 6 different methods, all of course profitable!! The cost is GBP 99 to join, I could not find what length of time this was for. And they even go as far to say that if you do not profit from Method 1 alone, not only will they refund your initial joining fee, but they will also give you GBP 500 for your trouble……
    All this smooth talking has me worried…….any thoughts??
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Barcardero says:

    hi just a cautious word of warning to all your honest betting punters out there. Please, please, please avoid betting tips UK like the plague after trialling them and spending over £200.00 with them in tokens, there organisation appears to feel like the biggest scam i have come across in a long while. They have a unique way of lulling you in with their token system. So rather than pay a monthly subscription you buy tokens instead. This seems great until you start using them.

    After a while i felt very confident and thought these guys have answered my prayers in me finally finding a betting tipster service i could trust. Nothing could be further from the truth now after trialling them and being with them for over two months. At first they were transparent, regularly updating results and even having a forum for members to talk and constructively criticise the service. As time went on it became apparent with the downturn in their results that the overwhelming backlash of disgruntled punters was damaging them. So you can guess what happened next, yes they did the obvious, they pulled down their results page down the open forum and stopped publishing the daily results. They are one of the most unscrupilous bunch of cowboys i have come across

    Editor: This is the personal opinion of our reader. However Betting Tips UK did fail our review and our Final Review of this product is here: http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/tag/betting-tips-uk/

  • Kris says:

    just be mindful of Ross Turner tho’. I bought his Bettor Formula (with bot some 6 months ago now…….with each and every one of those months runnings at heavy losses……293 points to be exact….so if you are a $100 point bettor…….no longer replying to e-mails….yet he was heavily recommended by all and sundry, incl. James Fitz and BST……sorry guys, just sayin’ it as it is

  • bonscott says:

    @IanF: hi, yes thats correct,, the form analyser at punters paradise is for australian & new zealand races.
    Ross Turners FL horse racing software might help you.
    cheers bon

  • IanF says:

    @bonscott: Hi, Is punters paradise just for Australian races? – Or am I lookingh at the wrong website?

    I am looking for something for UK races.

    Ian

  • yidoboy says:

    20-20 Cricket Trading is the real deal.Easy to use bot aswell.Got to be a 5 star.

  • bonscott says:

    hi Dave,
    yes, punters paradise has a free horse analyser, just go to the webpage
    then click on form guide & scroll down its on the right hand side.
    bon

  • dave ball says:

    Hi guys , I do a little horse laying on a daily basis and it takes a lot of time to find 3 selections that suits my 7 rule criteria. Is there anything out there that can help like a software program that I would input my criteria and the software would find suitable selections from the racingpost etc and find lays under 6.0.
    If there is anything like this out there please let me know b4 I get the boot from my employer for hogging his pc, lol, thanks all

  • gordoncoles says:

    Hi Damo,

    We are waiting for Betfan to add our reviewer to the subscriber list so he can receive the selections for the Ex Bookie, unfortunately we have been waiting for some time now, I have no idea why? Once that is sorted, the review can begin. If it is not sorted soon, we will have to abandon the review.

    Cheers,
    Gordon

  • Damo says:

    hi guys…. i was wondering when or if you are starting a trial on the ex bookie system….. this guy seems to be producing good results and i notice that it is in your drop down menu but has not started yet.. just thinking it might be worth having a closer look at…..keep up the good work… it is greatly appreciated.. Cheers

    Damo

  • Kris says:

    thanks very much for that Gordon! Well, we can all breathe easy now, because if their sales page is anything to go by…….we have found the Holy Grail……AGAIN !! I am sure the Bible only speaks of just the ONE ARK !!
    Looking forward to their reply re. Trial on BST.
    Thanks again,
    Kris

  • gordoncoles says:

    Hi Kris,

    The email requesting a review has been sent:-)

    Cheers
    Gordon

  • gordoncoles says:

    Hi Dave,

    Thanks a lot, I will check it out.

    Cheers
    Gordon

  • Kris says:

    G’day Gordon,
    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE the site!!
    Here is one that hit my Inbox today, called ‘Backing Allstars’, by Dave Ashley. Of course it looks good, as they all do, with the truth usually revealing itself within minutes of clicking on the PayPal logo……..
    Anyhow, here are some doozie quotes:
    You’ll Personally be guided to profits of over £1,000 in CASH!… every 30 days!
    You’ll be shown how to place winning bets every single time!!
    Step by Step ‘Staking plan’ which guarantees YOU will win and always PROFIT!
    In fact, the betting process which I am revealing to you is so successful, that anyone I teach this to – will be guaranteed profits of over £1,000 a month!
    If your already betting professionally….. and you want to start making over
    £3,000 a month from horse racing…. THEN THIS IS IT!
    Stack odds in your favour so you always win!
    The Backing allstars system has been stripped down, and reverse engineered to mathematically reconstruct a winning betting process that guarantees you profit over the course of the month….no matter what the results.
    In fact, how would you feel if I told you the odds compilers are totally powerless to protect themselves from my selections?
    Well…it’s absolutely true! If they were to try and combat this method. Then it would completely destroy the whole betting structure that actually makes them money from millions of punters in the first place.
    What other methods of betting do you know that can make you over £1,000 a week in CASH! (now it’s a week, and not a month!!).
    I have never had two days at a loss! SERIOUSLY. DO NOT waste any more money!

    Well, that’s about it, oh yes, and all this for only GBP 29.95!!
    There are also two screen shots of a Bet365 account with GBP 129,873.92 and Pinnacle with GBP 132,604.63.

    Anyone who writes up tripe like this deserves to be exposed, so please Gordon, even if you simply approached them and ask if they would be so kind as to give their permission for you to run a trial here, I would love to see or hear their reaction to your request!!
    The best thing it has going for it, is that it can be bought thru’ Clickbank.
    Cheers Gordon.
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • DaveT says:

    @gordoncoles: He actually names it as “The Foolproof Soccer Bet Method” and after three free letter tips he charges £200 for the system plus a staking plan(or £100 for 6 months continuing with his letter tips)

  • gordoncoles says:

    Hi Dave,

    I personally am not familiar with this service, has it got a name? If you can give me that I will see about a review?

    Cheers,
    Gordon

  • DaveT says:

    I have received letters of a Dave Williams of Cardiff with free football tips(so far successful) using his “Foolproof soccer bet method”
    Anybody know anything about this system??

  • Barry says:

    Has anyone tried… “bettingtothebank” ? I’d just like to know If this Is genuine…or not! Thanks In advance

  • michael flynn says:

    I’ve been using Betfair Miracle for over a year now and have just cancelled my subscription to the £10 per month tips. It is easy to check whether this system works for yourself as HRS publish all the results going back a few years. I can vouch for the fact that the results are accurate for at least the last 12 months. I’ve done an analysis myself from 1st of January 2011 until 1st August 2011 (anyone can do this as I said earlier). The key findings from my analysis were as follows:
    234 selections with 35 of them actually winning their races. So a strike rate of 6.69 (quite a bit less than the 9.0 claimed). Strike rate calculated as 234 divided by 35.
    The average Betfair starting prices of all winning selections was 5.83. Now the lay odds are always a bit higher than the back odds so I added 5% to the 5.83 to allow for this and came up with lay odds of 6.12.
    So if we assume a lay stake of £50 we can work out that we would have made £9950 before allowing for commission at Betfair and any losing lay bets (234-35 x £50= £9950). Allowing for commission at a rate of 5% you are left with a gross profit of £9452.50.
    35 selections at average lay odds of 6.12 loses you £8960. So if we subtract 8960 from 9452.50 you are left with a profit of £492.50. Also you would be charged £10 per month for the tips so £70 needs to be taken off £492.50 – £70 leaving a net profit of £422.50. This averages out at £60 net profit per month.
    So I agree that the system is profitable long term. However the amount of time and effort that has to go into laying all the selections is very demanding and time consuming and in my opinion is not worth the effort for such a small return on investment.
    The system may have had a strike rate of 90% in the past but my experience has been that it is now running at 67% so far in 2011. Another consideration is that is is difficult to always lay a horse at odds of above 3/1 as the odds can change right up to the off. So you can end up laying a horse that does not end up being a selection as the odds have changed just before the off and this can leave you out of pocket. I should add that all my figures are based on the Main system and Bonus system as this is how he compiles the updated spreadsheet. I also found that the results for the Main and Bonus systems were similar.

  • IanF says:

    I just got an unsolicited email from WinNaps.co.uk. The site is registered to a Martin Mcdonald.
    It came to an adress that I don’t use in response to adverts – so i am wondering where they got it from.
    They say you can buy points i.e thay will keep on sending you selections until (if you still have any money left to bet) you should have made the number of points you have purchased. It says it has just started and there is no sign of a track record.

    Ian

  • huw says:

    has anyone heard of a guy called tony ilott? there is a new laying tipster called tailored lays advertised on the total betting club website, the payment is made to this guy through paypal, i seem to know this name from some site but cant put my finger on it. can anyone help?

  • hammy says:

    The Trading Eye
    thetradingeye.net

    Anyone know about this one ?
    Not much to go on unless someone has bought this and can expand on it, thanks !

    Link Edited by admin

  • bonscott says:

    hi Simon,
    i remember the hype around perpectual eye bot & agree with its failure, i took the trial for a month & then ended subscription
    but magical racing bot looks like the exactly the same thing.

    does anyone know who the author is for magical racing bot?
    thx bon

  • hammy says:

    @Sgt Jon:

    thanks Sgt. Jon !
    glad I didn’t waste my time on this one.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    @Jon:

    Just a quick follow up in case anyone thinks I have been a bit harsh on Storm Horse. I received another promotional email today mentioning their big winner yesterday on Sunday 3rd July.

    The selection email received yesterday (Sunday) said:

    Hi Jon

    Todays STorm Horse System selections are as follows:

    TIME COURSE HORSE NAME ODDS BET
    14:30 Market Rasen Wicklewood 55.00 Back
    15:30 Market Rasen Dunaskin 19.50 Back

    For your info Wicklewood finished 11th and Dunaskin was a non runner!

    Where was the “big winner”? Now I know this system is garbage with blatant lies about its “success” as well!

    Steer well clear!

    Cheers
    Jon

    PS Got my refund from Clickbank today.

  • Sgt Jon Jon says:

    @hammy:

    Another review site had this to say about Storm Horse:

    “I like the way the system is only for handicaps yet the screenshots it shows are for non handicaps, how unusual for a system sellers sales page not being entirely honest”

    Enough said – Storm Horse is garbage!

    Sgt Jon

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    @hammy:

    I bought this system a few days ago and will be claiming a refund from Clickbank. Does that help?

    Sgt Jon

  • hammy says:

    “STorm Horse System”
    Has anyone have experience with this one ?
    thanks !

  • craig says:

    John Morrison from sportsbettingchamp beggars belief, he is offering to turn $100 into $5.4 billion in a year, by signing up to his champselections service. what a joker!

  • Site Admin James BST Admin Gordon says:

    Hi Simon,

    Sincere apologies regarding this review. Unfortunately we have been let down by the reviewer on this one, and it has been stuck in Limbo.

    You are quite right, it needs to be canned, it had almost reached the 56 day stage, and obviously wasnt going any further. We may not actually do a final review, but may just post that it has been failed.

    I am afraid we do have a couple of others that are stuck, awaiting sorting, for the same reason, reviewer gone AWOL, and I am sure you can appreciate it is difficult for someone else to pick up a review halfway through.

    We have been so busy with all the changes here, that they have been somewhat forgotten. Obviously the performance of these products is best forgotten anyway, but I will try and resolve them as soon as I can.

    Thanks Simon

    Regards
    Gordon

  • Simon Evans says:

    Dear BST, why haven’t you failed and jailed ‘Perpetual Eye’ ? – ‘Perpetual Eye could change your life’ – yes, by leaving you 1000 + in the red – and it looks like thats the way its liable to stay, after all.
    Incidentally I am not an embittered customer – I never bought it, but can well remember the furore hype, and speculation that met with its launch.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin Gordon says:

    Hi Stephen,

    That is very kind of you to offer, but I am afraid one our reviewers has already claimed this one.

    If you are interested in joining our team, fully aware that our reviewers are totally unpaid and give of their time freely and willingly, then please let me know.

    Regards,
    Gordon

  • SMC says:

    @BST Admin Gordon:

    Gordon,

    May I offer to do the daily reviews on this one …. a couple of years ago I did some mystery shopping work. Much of it was for bookies mainly William Hill, so I am used to getting reports out on time.

    Cheers

  • Site Admin James BST Admin Gordon says:

    Hi Stephen,

    We are actually in the process of trying to arrange a review of Place Bet Pro, and I have today emailed the vendor.

    Cheers,
    Gordon

  • SMC says:

    This is a new one doing the rounds, anybody know anything of it?

    placebetpro.com/

    Link edited by admin.

  • yidoboy says:

    Has anyone else bought a copy of winning formula exposed?.Feedback would be very helpfull as ive not had much luck with this system myself!!.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Joe,

    The new site has not yet got itself fully up and running at the time of your comment. I dont understand the technical details, but it take a while for all internet service providers to get all the new site details.

    So please bear with us, I assure you that it had better be a lot faster then the old server, or heads while roll as it has not been a cheap exercise!!

    Cheers,
    Gordon

  • joe says:

    the site is even slower now a joke

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    I thought you guys would find this interesting, we are all told that only 2% of people make gambling pay, well it is actually 50% after a study done by FIFA found that match fixing is worth 55Billion a year..

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/18052011/58/world-football-fifa-match-fixing-worth-55bn.html

  • Alan says:

    Has anyone tried or heard of Atomic Betting System?

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    @SMC

    leave well alone mate, I got emails as well, all it will be is another roulette product that uses the “sleeper” theory. so basically it looks for any series of numbers like first 12 etc, waits until it has not been hit for a while then gets you to bet on it

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Stephen,

    No, unfortunately we would not consider a trial. We have decided that, in our opinion, there are no gaming systems on the market that will produce long term profits, and therefore we no longer review any of them.

    Regards,
    Gordon

  • SMC says:

    Roulette Psychic

    Just had an email offering Roulette Psychic, there’s even a 2 hour free trial. Anyone had any experience of it?

    Would management consider a trial of it?

  • Review Manager says:

    @Jay Grae:
    As i said in my Final Review of ABTB you can use it Weekend ‘s Only and make a profit, i also know of several bloggers who use it on the evening races and do well. So certainly you do not have to be sick or unemployed, if you do not like the layout of the website thats one thing, having a go at a product that works is a bit off.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Jay,

    I take it you are not a fan of All By The Book, despite it doing exactly what it says on the tin. Presumably you would consider that all products that need to operated by following live markets would also require you to be unemployed or off sick?

    Admin

  • Jay Grae says:

    This site needs a overhaul. It is slow because there is too much on 1 page + how many bloody times do we need telling that All By The Book has 5 stars which by the way you need to be on the dole / sick to operate.

  • SMC says:

    Whats the word on the street regards the EXTREME TIPSTER … is it the real thing or just the usual hype? Anybody tried it yet?

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    @ Paul

    pop along to oddsportal.com/sure-bets/ they do free arbs

    Edited by admin

  • paul says:

    hi i was wondering what your thoughts are on 100 percent winners arb systems

  • fraser says:

    Dear folks,

    I’ve read all the comments on this mini debate about BST. At the end of the day you are all intelligent people and if you don’t like what you see then don’t complain about it…don’t listen to the advice and make your own judgement. I have been doing this gambling part time now for about 15 years. It is possible to make money but it’s a long term investment! How many of you have pension funds that dropped in value recently? Did you phone up the fund managers and blast them? I always look at any system/software/service and see how it performs over a 1 year period. I have given up on most services now and have devised my own system. As I live down under now, I use this most weekends on the city races in Australia and aim to increase my bank by at least 5% per week. Eventually you run into liquidity issues but compounding works just have the patience. For those members who love horses I had the privelage of seeing the best racehourse run a couple of Fridays ago at Moonee Valley – Black Caviar. I layed the second favourite as BC was $1.05.

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    Guys/Admin

    Just had an Idea, what about setting up a forum and in that forum you can have all live reviews, where users can post their comments and views, next to the daily update on here, you could have a tab that says “discuss this on our forum” you would not need to moderate it as any posts can be deleted afterwards by a moderator of the forum. You can have log in’s and all IP’s could be logged etc

    you can also have a section for previous reviews which can be discussed. I think it would be a excellent idea, and better than the comment section I feel. And yes I would happily moderate forum!!

  • Sgt Rob Sgt Rob says:

    @BST Admin:

    Sgt Rob here…just to add my two pennies worth.

    Looking at the BST home page, there are 21 ‘passed’ betting systems, 27 ‘neutral’ and 45 ‘failed’ systems. In addition, there are currently 17 systems that are being reviewed.

    This makes 110 systems in total.

    I make it that there are 11 reviewers on the site.

    My advanced maths therefore makes me think if we were to do extended reviews to monitor a system’s performance post-review, we would need each reviewer to be doing 10 reviews.

    Alternatively, we could recruit another 45 reviewers to make it ‘easy’ for us and give us just 2 reviews to look after from day to day.

    For the former option, I currrently have it easy with just the Soccertips Software review to do, but that still takes an hour a week to do the process, format Excel spreadsheets and then format and process the review blog. So having 10 reviews would imply giving a minimum of 10 hours per week just to keep my head above water and keep the extended reviews going. As some products require much more time, I would need to give up my day job to concentrate on getting it all done – for free, remember.

    For the latter option, recruiting 45 new reviewers would take forever and would be a nigh-on impossible process to implement!

    So, for people who have posted saying a 56/84 day review isn’t enough and more needs to be done post-review, then my personal opinion is yes, in an ideal world, the reviews would be ongoing.

    But, this isn’t an ideal world, and the logistics of it all makes it highly unlikely to happen.

    Right, i’ll put my soapbox away now :-)

    Sgt Rob.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Paul,

    Thank you for your thoughts and comments, which obviously are respected.

    Just a couple of points in reply.

    We keep using Champion Draws as the example here, but it is the fundamental principle that we should be concentrating on, which is that a poor performance over a period of just 1 month, disappointing as it is, is not a good reason for people to start cutting their wrists and jumping off tall buildings! It may disappear down the drain and never be seen again, who knows? It has previously proved itself over a 3 month period.

    Anyone who cant set aside a dedicated bank that they are willing to risk losing, because yes, it can happen, shock horror! Shouldnt be getting involved at all, I am sorry, but that is the plain and simple truth.

    You are absolutely correct Paul when you say that losses make for emotive responses, and therein lies the problem, allowing emotions to dictate your thinking in this business is a certain guarantee for failure, something that we all do, except the 2% who supposedly make a living at it.

    The second point is this, some people will no doubt accuse me of splitting hairs, but nonetheless it is important. We DO NOT recommend any system or service unless it is awarded 5 stars, any other product that is classified as a pass, is simply approved. As I say, a small but significant difference.

    Cheers,
    Admin Gordon

  • Vic says:

    @Paul:

    I have been a reader of this review site since james started it when it was jamesfitzmaurice.com/blog. There has been cheap immitations of this place but i always come back here. Its simply the best. Now we have Gordon looking after the site and it looks like this place is getting better and better. I could tell the stick James was getting affected his love for the site as his attention to detail was slipping, I wasnt surprised to hear he had left…. Now though under Richard VO and Gordon and the closely knit review team I see a bright future here. I think a line should be drawn under here and anyone not happy with the sites progression please go to another review site. (The cheap immitation ones) Warning though you will soon be back here… In my opinion the way the site is run should never be dictated by someone not putting in the same time as Gordon the reviewers etc… I am not 100% happy with my decisons to purchase some products but im happy it was “Just one of those things”. Its gambling FFS! Are gamblers really still so fickle? Anyway my point is, the only people that should be allowed to dictate how the site is run is the people that run it. Reviewers, Gordon, Richard etc… If you want to have your say then pick up the batton and re-review the products otherwise please go button bash somewhere else… People acting like spoilt children crying with a lollipop in their hand… Pathetic and Fickle.

  • donniemac says:

    no one is questioning the integrity or tremendous efforts of the Reviewers. no one is questioning the the integrity or tremendous efforts of the Admin to deliver a quality service to prospective purchasers of systems.
    BUT we keep hearing that a system’s effectiveness can only be judged IN THE LONG TERM. then why give it a rating of total inflexibility after 3 months. be prepared to accept reports of failing results and accredit the system to reflect those findings. They are, going forward, as important as the original review conclusions if the aim of the site is to give us the best info regarding systems which we might want to purchase.
    and for the accusations of “busibody” and “idiot” levelled at me, have a look in the mirror and get your brain in gear before your mouth opens.
    I THOUGHT WE WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SAME SIDE. LOOKING FOR SUCCESSFUL SYSTEMS.

  • Paul says:

    Morning Gents, I have been an observer and participant of the Champion Draws service since its trial and have kept a watch on this discussion. Whilst I consider the work of BST to be superb and without rival. I would question the push against those that have been unfortunate enough to join this provider. Losses make for emotive rather than logical rhetoric. I operate my ‘bank’ differently to the norm (of slicing it until it has been obliterated) by allowing an amount to play on a service. Based on the historic performance of the service the loosing run can be calculated early and should not be followed over the cliff. I cannot accept that the turn of events here can be tolerated. I would strongly urge BST to downgrade its recommendation and question the service provider on what has changed. Clearly, the service is now no longer worthy of a recommendation.

    regards,
    Paul

  • SMC says:

    The problem is that the moaners club are steadfastly ensuring they ACTUALLY DO NOTHING!!

    They fail to grasp that BST is the best thing available to us and it will get even better …………. and a lot faster if they stand back and let the people prepared to be active get on with it.

    SMC

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Bill,

    Your questions have been answered over and over recently, but you have simply persisted in coming back and asking them again and again. You were not INVITED to walk, but you are clearly not happy either with us or what we are trying to achieve here.

    What you have failed to appreciate is that we are on your side Bill, but you seem to want to hold us responsible for your losses, we try to give fair and honest reviews and assessments based on our results, what happens after that is totally out of our control, be it good or bad.

    You are quite correct in that Champion Draws has had 18 losing bets in a row, very, very disappointing indeed for those of us who are subscribing, but hardly a long term assessment, at the rate of maybe 3/4 bets per week, we are talking about a month. Obviously I have no idea what the future holds but it is possible that following this recent bad run there may well be another turn around and another good run. The whole point is, NOBODY knows! To simply expect it to keep churning out profits week after week is totally unrealistic.

    Regards,
    Admin

  • Bill says:

    Ok thanks for NOTHING I guess the best way for you to answer difficult questions is to invite the questioners to walk. If you had a reasonable answer you wouldn’t need to do that.
    I will happily not bother again.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Bill,

    As I have explained to you before, I am actually a subscriber to Champion draws myself.

    I set aside an amount of money I was prepared to risk following the service, if and when that bank is gone, I shall cancel my subscription, until then I shall continue.

    We all have to go into any form of investment in this business with our eyes wide open, of course we all hate losing money, but if you cant accept that risk in the first place then you really need to ask yourself whether you should be doing it at all.

    The point of our reviews has been more than fully explained recently, however, if you dont see that point then you are quite entitled to vote with your feet. As to the last part of your comment Bill, I am not even going to bother to answer that!

    Good luck and best wishes,
    Admin Gordon

  • Sgt Ian says:

    @Bill:

    Bill with the greatest respect….dont be stupid. Do you really think us reviewers have a crystal ball that we can detect when any service will go on a bad run.

    ALL reviews are carried out and reported AS IS, the results speak for themselves…good or indeed bad. We can only make a judgement on the time we review, that is and always has been the case.

    We reviewers and in fact BST cannot be held at all responsible for any future losses that may or may not be incurred by a reader joining a service.

    The fact of the matter is that people moaning about losing money will always look for someone to blame. But remember this whenever you point that finger of blame there are 3 fingers pointing back at you!!

    So to you guys having a moan, BST has done its job by reviewing accurately the product, it is still up to you to decide if that service or product suits you and you alone must suffer the consequences of that decision.

    We very rarely indeed hear from people who have made lots of profit from services, this is because of human nature of only wanting to vent anger at something not going their way.

    Stop moaning for Gods sake and get on with it!!!

  • Sgt Philip says:

    @BST Admin:

    Hi Bill

    I have now been reviewing “free gratis” for over 2 years on this site and we all try and review products with honesty and integrity. If I, or any of the other reviewers were receiving some kind of commission maybe our opinions would be influenced, but they are not.

    All of us in the real world realise that there is no holy grail out there, simply some systems which work better than others, but all are prone to losing runs. Who would have predicted that Chelsea would lose to Sunderland 3-0 at Stamford Bridge?!!! (Not me and I have supported Sunderland for over 45 years!!)

    My advice to you is ignore the wealth of information and unbiased comment this site provides and go back to listening to the hyped up marketing babble of the many peddlers of junk out in cyberspace. There is a plentiful supply waiting to take your money!

  • Bill says:

    OK as far as I am concerned its over & OUT for soccer overs, and Its Drawn to an end for champion Draws after yet another disterous weekend from both of them. Champion Draws have now won ONE out of the last 18 tips, and both have depleated my banks and they completely suck.

    As for the comments that we shouldn’t put so much emphasis on the final ratings, I question then what Value Betting System Reviews are having. As
    in my case and obviously in many others the ratings were a big influence, However now they seem to have little value, whats the point of any BST reveiws???.
    The reviews obviously influence people to invest in the system so BST are in some way responible for these BAD decisions. is that the purpose of your existance???

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Mike,

    Look, lets be fair about this. I believe I have tried really hard to respond in a balanced way to comments made on this subject for weeks now, I have also listened and thought long and hard about whether or not we could incorporate some of the ideas. At the end of the day, what is being asked for is just not feasible, and I am going to try and explain one last time the reasons why.

    As has been stated previously, all our reviewers do what they do for free, they work extremely hard because they want to help. We are not blessed with an army of reviewers, as some people may think, currently we have about 15. They are fully employed reviewing the constant stream of new products coming onto the market, often at the request of our readers. Some of the reviews are very time consuming, as you can imagine.

    We have also stated time and time again, our final ratings are based SOLELY on a products performance during the review period, it can be no other way. That rating reflects the results achieved and again as we have often said, cannot be taken as a guarantee of future performance. We believe that if a product fails to perform well over a 2 or 3 month period, then that may be an indicator that it will struggle in the future. Likewise we also believe that a product that has proved itself over the same period may have a good chance of being successful in the future.

    I either case there can be no absolute guarantee, we simply report the facts. There is no such thing as a system or service that simply churns out profits day after day, if there was, we would all be sitting on a sun drenched beach drinking cocktails, whilst bookmakers would have long since ceased to exist.

    So let try and deal, one last time, with the suggestion that every time there is either an upturn or downturn in the fortunes of a previously reviewed product we should immediately react and change our view and rating.

    We would not and could not simply change rating’s etc based on a readers comment or results over a short period of time. We will ONLY rate at product as a result of a full review, a minimum of 8 weeks. Indeed we are looking at ways of extending our review periods as well. So, in the light of any negative, or positive results after our review has finished, we would have no option but to go back and do another full review, before possibly re-accessing our rating. A classic example would be Champion Draws, Our review finished on the Friday, during which time it had performed extremely well, only for it to fall off a cliff that weekend. Despite our reviewers message of caution in the final review regards the possible consequences of a run of losing bets, there was immediate uproar and a call for the rating to be changed. It just cannot work like that. Who’s to say that in a few weeks time Champion Draws may not have recovered, it has done well once so could do it again, and off we go again, changing the rating once more!

    As I am sure nearly all of our readers can understand, this would inevitably lead very rapidly to a hand full of products being reviewed over and over again, and no room for new products which our readers really want us to be spending our time on.

    I have previously stated that I/we will look at ways of perhaps revisiting some products, but if and when we do it will done in a structured and organised way, and not just as a result of a comment on the blog, or a handful of results.

    The blog can be used by readers who have purchased various products to inform each other of progress, good or bad, and we would encourage that of course, that is part of why we are here. We also have a new site http://www.onlinebettingrant.com/ which has recently been launched and is getting up to speed, where people can go and blow off steam!

    As for praise, of course we like to be appreciated for what we do, who wouldn’t, and to have our readers come to our defense is much appreciated. However, I would like to think that the main reason they have as you put it “criticised” other people, is a) they understand what we are trying to achieve, and b) perhaps, hopefully, they understand that I have tried really hard to address this topic whenever it has been raised recently.

    Believe you me, it would be the easiest thing in the world for me to simply delete the negative comments that have been made recently, but I dont believe that would be right, people have a right to express their views. But, I am afraid there comes a point where we arrive at the “broken record” syndrome, and I have spent far too much time, time that could be better spent attempting to move the blogs forward, in simply repeating my answers.

    Therefore I intend to try and make this my last comment on the subject.

    Regards,
    Admin

  • mike says:

    hi it is a shame that when someone puts forward suggestions whether they be good or bad people come on here to knock the guy (donniemac) down . im sure its a lot more useful to read his comments , which make you think further than the review period .
    for example i think its dave passed betfair miracle and he regularly comes back with updates , a great idea and i for one would be interested in follow ups on the systems you pass especially on the systems with lots of stars .
    im sure you like being praised , we all do but why do people come on here and criticise other people without making there own suggestions.

    regards

    mike

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Stephen,

    Many thanks for your support, it is much appreciated. You are quite right, we all here are indeed striving to improve our service, as the recent changes we have implemented hopefully show. We shall continue to look for ways to further improve for the benefit of all, but unfortunately some things are just not feasible.

    Cheers,
    Admin Gordon

  • SMC says:

    To use that famous phrase donniemac “ON YER BIKE” we can all find ways of improving this site, I am sure admin is striving too. But what slows it all down? Wasting time on people like you donniemac.

    I believe Cromwell got it right when he said something like – In gods name go, for you sit in this place too long for the good that you do.

    SO TAKE THE HINT

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Thank you Victoria, your opinion is much appreciated.

    :-)

    Admin

  • Vic says:

    This donniemac is a busybody in my opinion and his actions are trying to discredit the site and the free service you provide to us. His comments are by no means the opinions of others and I for one am grateful that i can watch a product that is heavily promoted for at least 2 months before deciding to purchase. I would be quite happy to not have to read another post from this idiot. Ungrateful springs to mind… Your doing a great job and i as well as many others respect and understand why and what you do.

  • Sgt Rich says:

    I stated before that I think undue emphasis is being put upon the final ratings that a service gets.

    The star system is, at best, a shorthand indication of the experience during the review period. Anyone taking it as an absolute recommendation and therefore purchasing the service without reading the full review is being arguably lazy and certainly reckless.

    You have to make your own mind up based upon the reviewers experience and the star rating can only be a rough guideline (somewhat subjective by the reviewer).

    The disapointed comments on here all seem to indicate to me that the person did not read the reviews in full or ignored the warnings in the blogs in favour of the rating.

    However, I think there is an argument to be made for taking into account performance after the review is finished. The problem is that if reviewers monitored performance of finished reviews we would never have time to review new services.

    The industry always produces new services and at least a 56 or 84 day review of as many of them as possible is better than no reviews carried out because we are stuck in re-reviewing old, completed reviews.

    But Donniemac, why don’t you volunteer to take on the job of monitoring passed reviews? I would like to think there is a role that you could perform for us along those lines which would benefit all of us.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Does anyone have anything to add in reply?

    I have run out of different ways to say the same thing, which are simply being ignored by our friend Donniemac. If you feel so strongly that we are doing it wrong Donniemac, then may I respectfully suggest you dont bother coming here anymore, and find yourself a review site that mets your requirements, although I doubt such a thing exists.

    Admin

  • Sgt Philip says:

    @SMC: Hi SMC – sorry I didn’t see your comment earlier, but I suspect that “the scalper” is from the same stable as SureBettor and Arbitrage Spy. My advice would be to keep your money in your pocket, but if you cannot resist the sales hype, you do have the option of a clickbank refund on these products.

    Philip

  • Bill says:

    @Sgt Tommy: Ok thanks Sgt I see what you mean you did point this out quite clearly, but in that case I’m surprised it carried a 4.5 rating which is what influenced me so much.
    Also I am still amazed that all three of my recent investments went downhill together, surely that cannot be just a coincidence can it? (Soccer Overs, Champion Draws and Sports Betting Dynamics).

  • Bill says:

    @SMC: SMC I bought this one today but have now requested a refund through Clickbank. This is exactly the same system which I bought when it was marketed as Arbitrage Spy, which I bought sometime ago and ditched it as you need to stake high to get anything reasonable in return. The problem I faced was the exchanges limited how much they would accept. Hope that helps.

  • donniemac says:

    @SMC:
    Hi Admin,
    yes it’s me again and the subject is ratings. If 3 months is a long enough period to trial a system, and, thereafter, give your opinion of that system by means of a rating, then surely after another 3 month period, and being alerted by your readers as to its’ performance during that period, it’s logical that you should review your rating, and at least qualify your rating as now updated after a 6 month period.
    We keep hearing that all systems need to be viewed over “the long term” (presumably a year) then why don’t you apply that logic to the quality of your rating system. ALL BY THE BOOK, SOCCERS OVER, LAY THE ODDS, based on current data available to you, none of these currently merits the high rating new readers would believe them to have.
    Your inflexibility in this respect, devalues the hard work of the original Reviewer, and devalues the quality of your rating system.
    Undoubtedly, the most definitive time to give a rating you could justify long term, would be after a 12 month perid, with any rating before then, being provisional.

  • SMC says:

    And another that has gone pear shaped …. and it rated 4.5 on review is layers of profit now a very sad story!!

    More to the point what is known about the scalper? … is it a scam? How many bookmaker account are needed?

  • Sgt Tommy says:

    Hi Bill,

    This is exactly the point I made in my review of ‘Champion Draws’ as you can see from this quote:

    “Now, obviously, we can speculate how the figures may have been drastically decreased by say a ‘D’ bet loss or 1 or 2 more ‘C’ bet losses. This is a point to take note of for the future, especially as we have seen the recent demise of another soccer service after having performed so well during the review period.”

    It actually beggars belief just how bad a run they have been on since the end of the review. I think it is 11 matches out of the last 12 which have lost, including 4 ‘C’ bet losses which will mean of course there will be 4 huge ‘D’ bets coming up soon. The running bank now stands at approx + 184 pts, a loss of around 170 pts since the review ended. If the ‘D’ bets have a bad day, I will have no problem in updating the service to reflect this ‘bloody awful’ performance!

    I know that is little consolation to your good self and all the other unfortunate souls out there. In my opinion, the service should offer some kind of refund on subscriptions as an apology for this terrible state of affairs.

    All the best, Sgt Tommy.

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    @ Bili

    I can only feel sorry for you, I too had Champion Draws, and SBD, the latter is crazy, the problem is that is what happens when chasing goes wrong, if you remember he got away with it in the trial when he bet 17 units, however it has caught up with him, I now make him 100 pts down, so I can only imagine he is losing members, but he charge everyone for the whole year, have you asked him for a refund?

  • glenn says:

    Has anyone tried 8 Surefire Angles?
    thanks,

  • Bill says:

    I have already mentioned the bad run with soccer overs which is really still ongoing I also went with two other recommendations Champion Draws, Sports Betting Dynamics, both have also turned into disasters, I have been told that all systems have a bad run after a good one, but ALL three at the same time? just after they come highly reccomended on the back of great results. Sorry I can’t accept that, not with all three together they have really hit my banks in two ways the subscriptions and BIG losses. I think you should point out before people buy into them that the bad run is most likely round the corner.
    I also now wonder who is behind the tipping services is it the bookmakers?

  • SMC says:

    Just had this betting scalper offered to me. Anyone used it? How many bookmakers accounts required.

  • Sgt Rich says:

    @donniemac:

    Hi Bill a losing run of losing 1/3 of your bank is not unusual, but I know that doesn’t ease the pain.

    During the review period, as I stated in my final review, the tips lost over 70 points to 10 point stakes and 100 point bank, but it recovered during the review.

    Here’s a link to the newsletter with the final review including a graph showing how the bank fared. http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/newsletters/BST_News_Edition_33.pdf

    Perhaps you would be more comfortable with a lower stake, I stated that I’d prefer 5% I also did some work on different staking plans in this newsletter http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/newsletters/BST_News_Edition_35.pdf – You might find that useful.

    I occasionally look at the review being run on LayTheOdds and I think the strike rate is currently 55%. Unfortunately not as good as during the BST review.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Donniemac,

    Laying Spring Profits is actually only the 3rd in the series, Laying Autumn Profits was the 1st.

    A final review of Laying Autumn Profits is available on the website, the final review for Laying Winter Profits is currently being prepared. The same will happen for the Spring and Summer version’s, at which point it is our intention is to do a full final review covering the whole years performance.

    Cheers,
    Admin Gordon

  • Bill Johnson says:

    Just to point out you are still showing Soccer Overs at the top of your passed list, the fact is I have had this system for the last two months and have last more than a third of my bank they have consistently lost over the last two months.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Admin.,
    I notice from this week’s newsletter that you are now reviewing Laying Spring Profits. Since the author says we should look at the total package of the four seasons, is it possible to give your assessment on how the previous three periods performed. Based on that info., would you recommend subscribing for the fourth quarter?

  • PB says:

    @Donniemac

    …….”Likewise, All By The Book . I challenge anyone using that system 6 months ago to tell me he is still be doing so today. The system is 100% mathematically sound, but is, in my view, totally unsustainable in the real world of betting and Bookmaking. so why continue as a 5 star rating.”

    I will take up your challenge. I’m still using it and doing quite nicely, thankyou.

    Paul

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Donniemac,

    POINT 1. The suggestion that you do a review did NOT come from admin, the comment was posted by one of our reviewers, presumably in response to your negative attitude, what it actually said was “why dont you OFFER to do a review for this site”

    POINT 2. We undertake our reviews in a professional manner, so a reader merely posting their own results would in no way constitute a review.

    POINT 3. We are currently reviewing Soccer Overs on our sister site laytheodds.com, the review started on the 10th Dec and is currently up to day 46, so we are perfectly well aware of the results for Jan/Feb

    POINT 4. The main reason your “results” have not been posted for the consideration of our readers, is that I have not seen them!

    Regards,
    Admin Gordon

  • donniemac says:

    @Jon:
    Hi ADMIN,
    As suggested by you, a review of Soccer Overs by me. Appropo, I posted results for Jan/Feb., why have you not published them for theconsideration of readers os the site?

  • Sgt Rich says:

    I think a sense of perspective is needed here as regards the ratings. Although the ratings are given prominence on the site, this is a BLOG and anyone can post on the individual review blogs, giving up to date information, as bloggers have been doing.

    But the point I want to make is that the ratings are ONLY an indication of how the system or tips did during the review period. There is also a wealth of FURTHER information within each blog for that review.

    For example on Soccer Overs I gave it a rating of 4.5 stars because it performed very well during the review period. BUT my blog, during the review, brought up the following points 1. that there had been a losing run before the review started that would have wiped out the 100 point bank. 2. that the 10% staking plan was too agressive in my opinion. 3. that there had been a losing run during the review which was analysed quite thoroughly. 4. some alternative staking systems were used to analyse the results.

    I think it is incorrect to judge a system by the rating only. Read the blog, read how the reviewer got on with it, decide for YOURSELF if it would suit YOU, before buying it, by reading what the WHOLE of the blog says.

    I use another reviewer’s final rating only as an indicator of whether I should spend some time reading their blog. Having read it I make my own mind up as to whether it is worth the risk of investing my money using the system/tips. At that point, the reviewer’s final rating has become almost irrelevant to me, it was just an initial indicator for me.

  • Sgt Jon Jon says:

    @donniemac:

    Hi Donniemac

    Why not adopt a more constructive approach and offer to review the product again for this site?

    Cheers
    Jon

  • donniemac says:

    @BST Admin:
    thankyou Admin. for your response. I take it, from what you say, that a subsequent review of your highly rated products is not on your agenda, irrespective of the post review performaance of such products over a period of time equal, at least, to the period of review which earned them such accolades in the first place. Since you don’t wish to debate this subject any more, I’ll take it that the answer is NO. Bye.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Max,

    All reports indicated it was selling like hot cakes, I guess this offer may well speak for itself?

    Cheers,
    Admin Gordon

  • max wax says:

    Today, I have been offered the Amazing Selector for £7. A reduction of £50, any comments.

    Max

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Donniemac,

    It is not that admin does not wish to respond to your comment, it is simply that there is nothing left to say on the matter, I have replied at length to your previous comments, and to others as well. Quite frankly all you are doing is just repeating yourself, and there is nothing more I can say to you on the subject.
    When you post a comment of a different nature, then I will be happy to join the debate.

    Best wishes,
    Admin Gordon

  • donniemac says:

    @donniemac:
    doesn’t seem to be much of a discussion board. a constructive albeit, critical appraisal of the rating system by myself followed by posts from two wellwishers, and NOTHING from Admin, apart from acknowledgement of the good wishes. I can’t believe that represents the strength of readership. come on chaps, let’s hear your views.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    ?????????????

    Admin

  • jerry says:

    See this Comment I’m Commenting using a non user., and will submitting this. this wil not appear in the Comments section Now.
    Thank You.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Brian

    Thank you very much, your comment is much appreciated.

    Best wishes,
    Gordon
    Admin Manager

  • Brian cee says:

    @BST Admin: just like to say well done and thank you for your website . I am new to online betting but have been snow under from diffrent so called betting opportunity offersSCRAMS. It s good there are some good people who are prepared to put in the time (there own , unpaid time I would add ) and effort to combat these vermin .

    Thank you

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Thank you Jerry, glad you like it. Also pop over to our other site laytheodds.com hopefully you will like that too.

    Cheers,
    Gordon
    Admin Manager

  • jerry says:

    Very Nice site, I liked it very much.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Admin,
    I have read with great interest your Reviewer’s final assessment of Champion Draws, and note that he makes EXACTLY the same comments covered in my blog hidden away on day 78 of Soccer Overs.
    It’s one thing to give a 4.5 rating after a decent trial, but the real value of your hard work is to encourage feedback from your “loyal members’ ” in the months following the trial period, and take that opportunity to update for those members your rating of such highly recommended systems.
    I currently, for my sins, subscribe to Soccers Over, and have actually enquired of the author if he has moved on following A SUCCESSFUL SALES CAMPAIGN.
    Likewise, All By The Book . I challenge anyone using that system 6 months ago to tell me he is still be doing so today. The system is 100% mathematically sound, but is, in my view, totally unsustainable in the real world of betting and Bookmaking. so why continue as a 5 star rating.

  • yidoboy says:

    Thanks guys ill give it a miss then!!.Now got a new one just been delivered zero risk bets!!! any news guys?.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi,
    Your last post was in the Soccer Overs day 78 thread. If you click on Soccer overs in the 4.5 out of 5 section top left of the website, then scroll down to day 78, click on comments, you will find it there.

    Cheers,
    Gordon
    Admin Manager

  • donniemac says:

    @fraser macquire:
    Hi Fraser,
    I have written quite a lot over the last few days on this service, and aspects of rating, but, today I can’t seem to access anything I posted, maybe admin could help direct us to my comments.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Everybody,

    On the question of Amazing selector, yes we are considering a review, and we could start fairly quickly. BUT, Review Manager David has kindly taken a look at this one for me, and he has cautioned that looking at the previous results, there have been at least 2 periods of 30+ losing runs. Our concern is that very few people will have the stomach for this king of performance, even if it is profitable in the longer term.

    I would be grateful for any feedback from readers to help us make a final decision.

    Cheers,

    Gordon
    Admin Manager

  • Sgt Philip says:

    @yidoboy: Hi Yidoboy, I have a feeling that amazing selector is a rehashed product that I have seen before – this is my personal opinion, I will wait with bated breath for the review, as it sounds too good to be true for my liking.

  • fraser macquire says:

    Soccer overs is no good still – For 1 month now I’ve followed and running at -30 points. Any updates from the admin on the results from the end of the review to date?

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    I have been in touch with the vendors, and they are keen for us to carry out a review, so it may be happening shortly.

    Gordon

  • yidoboy says:

    Amazing selector has just entered my inbox!!.Has anyone tried this selection process?

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Dave,
    I have issued a statement regarding the Soccer Tips Software issue in this weeks Bettingsystemtruths newsletter, however for those who do not subscribe to that, the situation is this:

    Yes we did carry out a review of Soccer Tips Software recently. At the end of that review the system and software was indeed rated as a failed product. Although the reviewer did point out that the weather had made things extremely difficult during the review period, and that in his option based on previous experience, he believed it could do a lot better. Nonetheless base don the results achieved during the review period he felt it had to be failed.

    Recently I was contacted by the vendors, who questioned the way in which the review had been carried out, specifically with regard to the implementation of the ISL filter.

    The suggestion that the reviewer “invented his own system” is ridiculous, he had asked for clarification from the vendor, which was not forthcoming, and publicly
    stated that he would not be using that filter. That was not picked up by the vendors either. Our reviewer proceeded to continue with the review in all good faith, the results were poor, and the rating was a failed system

    However, in the interests of honesty and fairness, we listened to what the vendors had to say, and decided to to take the very unusual step of removing the review from our website, and offered to conduct the review again, an offer the vendor has accepted. The new review of Soccer Tips Software is due to start shortly.

    Whilst we may be accused of allowing the vendor the influence the outcome of our review, we believe it was the right decision under the circumstances, we value our integrity, and rather than stand accused of misrepresenting the results during the review period, we will repeat the trial, during which time I am sure the vendors will be monitoring progress carefully, and at the end of the day Soccer Tips Software will stand or fall by its results. Simple as that.

    As I said this is a very unusual step, and not one that I anticipate being repeated very often! Our readers trust us to deliver the truth regards products before they consider buying them, a trust we have worked hard to establish, and will work even harder to maintain. I am sure they will understand that this was the fairest course of action for all concerned.

    Regards

    Gordon
    Admin Manager

    [Post amended by admin to remove names and links]

  • Dave says:

    Anyone tried Soccer-tips?

    Got an email from them saying that the BST reviewer had not operated their system properly and incorrectly failed the service… can’t see anything on here about them though.

    Here’s the email:

    On Jan 25th,2011, BettingSystemTruths posted a false alarm about our soccer filter software.Why and how? The reviewer, simply invented his own system and used that with our software. He was betting every red highights and refused to check ISL. But you know that’s not our system. You know and we know too that the secret behind our system is
    Strong score + Good ISL=Win.
    You know also that we recommend best 3 selections for trixie always.
    He missed that.And as such failed to realise results such as the ones below.As if that wasn’t enough, he sent our soccer software to their failed section.That has now been corrected.If you are on their mailing list, you might receive an email with that correction.
    soccer-tips.co.uk/try_us.html
    We also wanted to inform you that if you read that and had cancelled your subscription purely because of that false alarm, you’ve mistaken.Our software picks winners after winners if you play by the simple rules.Last week results are posted below.Snow effects of 2010 is over and such results is what is in stock from the programme.It did exactly that last season(2009/2010).This year won’t be any different.
    You may re-instate your subscription here
    soccer-tips.co.uk/try_us.html

  • Lyon says:

    Anyone to use Pocket Money Loophole?
    It is works?
    Thanx

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Val,
    I have allowed your post to be published, mainly because I couldn’t find a good reason not to, apart from the fact that it doesn’t make sense. Suggest you lay off the red wine perhaps if you ever try again!LOL

    Cheers,
    Gordon
    Admin Manager

  • Val Moore says:

    Like to leave a few words to go into bloggers corner, I have been placing bets for about 2 years now, it all started with an innocent mailshot sent throught the post, well as expected it was absolute rubbish, hence then came quite a few more, however, I picked one which was run by a famous jockey who at the time was in the USA, anyway I started the betting – you know the sort of thing place a bet for yourself and £50 for them. All went ok ie 1 winner x 3 or 4 losers, which meant I still made a small profit (the service was deductible so if the horse lost it was deducted from any future winnings) gradually his amount went up from initially £50 for them to £400 per bet, around October 2009 they were on a losing streak about 8 losing horses on the run I just could not afford to carry on – needless to say when had stopped placing bets they had 3 good priced winners on the trot which would have brought me back into profit – lesson learnt a losing streak will happen, make sure you have a good enough betting bank. Then someone else contacted me regarding lay bets which I had never heard of –
    BAD NEWS – we all learn the hard way, but however am reasonably happy now with 2 telephone betting services but am always on the lookout for a monthly betting system with consistent profits – happy punting!
    BAD NEWS – anyway reasonably happy now with 2 betting se

    BAD News – unless you are prepared to have money behind you like a futures trader keep away from these – 7 successful lays were wiped
    out by 1 successful lay bet! Am currently with 2 betting services and am reasonably happy, but have to look at profits over the month – not daily and have let my betting bank nearly deplete then a good winner brings it all back again! am looking for a consistenyl good monthly system to subscribe to – happy punting!
    currently with 2 telephone betting services and am quite happy nbu
    bad news – would rather back horses any day, lay betting is like trading futures you need a really big betting bank to make strides with lay betting. Am currently with 2 betting services and am quite content but would be happy to hear of any co

    Bad News, am not prepared to place 7 successful bets to be wiped out by 1 unsuccessful lay bet. Am now keeping my head down with 2 betting services but would be interested to know of any consistent systems which any reader is very happy with. Happy Punting!
    bad news – had about 6 successful bets on the trot but then 1 unsuccessful bet wiped out my profit – quite the reverse of betting to win. Am now with 2 betting services and am quite happy with them, but am interested if any of your reviewed services make coo

    bad news – you need about 8 successful lays to break even for 1 unsuccessful lay. I am currently with 2 good betting services that charge between £50-£100 per bet for them and an

    bad news – you need about 8 successfu
    bad news you need

    needless to say I did a few but I soon stopped as you need abo
    ut 8 winners to cope with 1 losing bet – I dont feel the risk/reward t

  • fraser macquire says:

    Anyone following soccer overs recently? 6 losses on the trot yesterday and all I’m doing for the 3 weeks I’ve been in the service is tread water! Anyone else have updates fro Jan 1st 2011?

  • Fash says:

    anyone know anything about automated bets?? is it scam??

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    @Betting System Guru:

    My first visit for a while and the speed is much improved thanks. My only little niggle now is the fact that the site is wider than my screen so I have to keep scrolling left and right.

    Some people are just never happy! LG.

  • Site Admin James BST Admin says:

    Hi Bondy,

    Currently we are experiencing a high level of illness amongst some of our reviewers, we wish them all a speedy recovery. I am hopeful that our review of The Betfair Success Formula will start before too much longer.

    Apologies for the delay.

    Good luck and best wishes,

    Gordon
    Admin Manager

  • Bondy says:

    Any updates on Betfair Success formula you’re currently trialing?
    I do like the idea of the system, very tempting…

    Cheers

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Yes Darryl this website fails the 5 point MOT devised by the former owner of this site. This would constitute a scam. Stay away.

  • Darryl says:

    bettingsuperprofits
    Found this in my mail box
    Scam??????

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Everybody,

    If you have been following the review of the “Insider Gold” system, please be aware that the system has changed its name to “Sports Bet Gold”

    This is due to there being another product on the market of the same name.

    The review will continue under the new name.

    Good luck and best wishes,

    Gordon

  • Neilthered says:

    Anybody know anything aboutthe Roullette Reaper?
    Thanks in advance

  • robin longmore says:

    Hi

    I have tried many systems over the past few years – none has produced consistent wins. I am in my second month using the ‘Form Guru’. This good fun but I am not sure yet whether it will provide consistent profits. I would be happy to report progress to you in your preferred format -if it isn’t too difficult. (I had 2 strokes in the past 20 months so key-board work can be frustrating. If anyone has experience of the system, I would like their comments.
    Robin

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Lawrence has the speed improved slightly today?

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    Thanks for explaining that. The amount of traffic should be taken as a compliment! LG.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Lawrence I am currently aware of the sites slow loading time and i am currently in the process of one of two things, getting someone to speed things up with the website software and upgrading the server speed. We are getting tons of traffic each day and this bares down on the server which is not designed for such heavy traffic.

    Time to upgrade… Its in the pipeline… Were on to it! Apolagies in the mean time.

    Richard

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    Is it just me or is this site getting slower and slower to load? Other sites I visit are OK.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Lyon,
    “All By The Book” uses the UK markets, so as long as you can access them, and the necessary bookmakers/exchanges, it can be operated from anywhere in the world.

    Cheers,
    Betting System Guru

  • Lyon says:

    Hi Guru,
    It is possible to use All by the Book in french country?
    Thanx

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Yido Boy, Again a simple google search for this product followed by the words “scam” would have taken you to this page, http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/scam/2010/11/02/auto-betting-monster-review-scam/ Another scam outed by the previous owner…

    Richard Van Orden

  • yidoboy says:

    Auto betting monster.Is this just another scam!!.Has anyone tried it?.

  • Michael Warden says:

    After many circulars from Brimardon, I decided to chance their special offer of 99 GBP per month. Only three days so far – early days. They give – software service – two selections per race ( Top Rated and Second Top Rated ) and two or three races.
    I was a little surprised to see that they claimed a 10-1 winner today ( 21st ) but on checking this was in fact their Second Top Rated horse. They claim 1 x 10-1 winner and one loser when in fact they had 1 x 10-1 winner and 3 losers. Bit cheeky.

    However their record over the 3 days I have been with them is :

    W3-1. Lost / Lost. Lost / W7-1.Lost / W2-1. Lost / Lost . Lost / W10-1. Lost / Lost. Lost /

    At 10 GBP per selection, I make that + 120 GBP

    Anyone else had experience of Brimardon ?

  • kdw (changed as there is another karl) says:

    just got another surewin racing club flyer. double the chance horse racing system. is this another scam?

  • huw says:

    many thanks for your swift reply, unfortunately for me i hadn’t read your report on this scumbag prior to buying this useless load of c**p. oh well i know where i shall be looking for info before i part with my hard earned again. keep up the good work.
    a last note…scam b*****ds you’ve seen the last of my cash!

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Huw a simple google search “Arbitrage Spy Review” would have taken to our site and directly to what we think about this product because we are number 1 on google for that term. Just like any other scam systems name followed by review thats the power of this site. Grantd the past few months theres been not much scam busting as i have just acquired the site of James but those will be coming back soon.

    Had you done some due dilligence searching and hit that link in google you would have been taken to this page http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/reviewed/2010/08/22/arbitrage-spy-scam-review/ and also this page http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/scam/2010/08/25/arbitrage-spy-scam/ Hope this helps…

    Richard Van Orden

  • Site Admin James Huw says:

    can anyone shed any light on arbitragespy? last week i paid for a download to their arb system, i downloaded it as the instructions say,but i cannot access it because i keep getting a pop up box saying that my subscription has run out, i have not signed up for a subscription i have paid for access to their arbitrage oportunities. they are not replying to my emails, so i was wondering are they con merchants? have they ripped off any of your readers? is there any way to get my money back or is this just some small glitch. thanks. huw.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Apologies LG reverting back to original way!

    Richard Van Orden

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    Can I just make the point that I don’t like the new ‘get the full story’ links. It is anoth page to click through, and they don’t load particularly quickly.

    Just my view.

    LG.

  • SMC says:

    Just spotted this on ebay – anybodytried it?? Any chance of a trial???

    (link edited by admin) abacus-system.com

  • kdw (changed as there is another karl) says:

    send me a cheque every week for a £100 and it will save you a fortune

  • Fash says:

    im looking for a laying greyhound service??? any recommendations people????

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Karl this is testament to my experience with betfan, I beleive their company to be solid and trustworthy. They will always be judged on the products they help bring to market. Anyone who does do that will get criticised but embassy, benson and hedges etc all do the same sort of thing and do not get the criticism for the cancerous shite they sell, funny world we live in…

    You may have noticed we now have the comment sections sorted out a bit better, all newest comments are at the top of the page and you can now reply to a certain person and it will be nested under their question. Or you can simply post a new comment of your own not in reply to anyone.

    Richard

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    WOW

    I just want to say a big Thumbs up for Betfan management, I have had a couple of issues with 2 or their services, 1 was about one of their services not putting avaliable odds, and the other was about a Poor service, and not only did they reply to my emails within 10 mins, and refunded me even though I had joined 4 days ago

    Well done Betfan

  • tollimanen says:

    I googled online and found the secret football systems.
    Does anyone know anything about the system.

  • karen says:

    Hi guys
    Just got an email from steve davidson promoting PRO BETFAIR TRADER Apparently authored by the same guy who did Place Lay Formula .Will this be reviewed in the coming weeks

  • Sgt Philip says:

    Hi Donnie

    In response to your query about Sure Bettor, I can’t be “sure” (pardon the pun) but this looks like a rehashed marketing strategy for arbitrage spy.

    My advice is give it a miss.

  • donnie says:

    anybody care to comment on SURE BETTOR, boasting a bot which can’t lose—– or is this a silly question????

  • Sgt Philip says:

    In response to Footy Punter re. TNT betting, this is another product of Frank Belanger of Plus Line Sports. This guy has been around for a while and they do seem to make profits via basketball, ice hockey and predicting correct football scores, normally under 2.5 scores.

    I did subscribe for a year but found that there were far too many selections for the football (my personal opinion), however I know that they have tweaked their selection criteria this year, so it may have improved.

    I do not have any experience of TNT, but it is a clickbank product, therefore you could always try it out and get a refund if it is not for you.

    The sales pitch has the following comment: “P.S Remember you will be able to review and test out the TNT sports betting program for 60 days, and if you aren’t blown away with the service all you need to do is send me an email and I’ll refund every cent of your money”.

    You don’t need to send an e-mail, just request a refund from clickbank!

    It’s up to you.

  • Rolland says:

    Hi Hammy

    I have not seen anything decent from Stephen Brookes so far in my life.

  • Footy Punter says:

    I notice a couple of people enquiring about TNT Sports Betting.

    I too would love some honest opinions before parting with my money.

    I have scoured the internet but it seems to be full of affiliates, though one website reviewed it over a 4 month period and made 40+ points profit.

    Another site is currently reviewing (2 weeks) and is in profit.

  • hammy says:

    Stephen Brookes ! ..what has he put out there before ? Anything decent ?

    Can this system or tipping service be trusted ?

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    This is from Stephen Brookes.

  • Ben says:

    Hey guys anyone here heard of this website footballbettingcode.com/

    Any Good? looks a bit suspect to me but I’m not sure why

  • hammy says:

    Just got an email for “Football Betting Code”, is this new ? Sounds familiar but I don’t see it listed here for review ? All picks are sent to your email inbox every day there is soccer played from all leagues. Anyone know about this please respond, thanks !

  • Michael Warden says:

    Just received a letter from The Insider Investments Academy which looks very interesting or just possibly a total scam. They are at : insiderinvestments.co.uk and at Confidential Publishing, PO Box 7044, Kettering, NN16 6AG. which I think – just think – is the same address as the Daily Cash Private Syndicate, which has produced some good winners in the past.

    Cost is 87 GBP per month on Standing Order.

    Anyone have any comments please ?

  • Fash says:

    just an update on Betfair Miracle as requested – still works really well for me and makes me quite alot of cash… i use 2% staking of 5k which is nice and progressive… use a bot set to 4.65 and 10 odds criteria… 10 seconds before the off…

    i do not use duplicate picks with the bonus system – just unique picks because i dont like the exposure of doubling up..

    its a bit frustrating the lack of qualifying picks some times – but the truth is its part of the discipline of making money… Patients pays off with this system..

    all in All Jason Franklins System is awesome and i cant recommend it highly enough….

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    As I can see by the blogs last reviews from the past 2 years. I can see SPW products have all been heavily scrutinized and judgement passed on numerous occasions. The problem with sportsworld is they always provide the evidence of their claims and everything is always “cosha” so they are not going to fall in the scam category. They simply have a bad track record when looking at how their products fair in the live tests. This can be put down to the fact we are gambling here guys. The only criticism I do have about SPW is that their charges are so high and this is because they have to split the money between themselves, the product author and the affiliate. As long as they trade we will review SPW stuff. At the moment we have an arrangement with SPW to review there products and they allow us to do that for free. If we never had that chance we couldnt do the tests and serve you the the readers that might spend the £97 on the systems and services. Its a catch 22. We would much prefer to do the review for you so you dont have to buy it first.

  • Geoff says:

    Absolutely donnie. I had my fingers burnt last year with one of their so-called exellent systems (simply the best), so a look into Sportsworld would not be a bad thing.

  • donnie says:

    isn’t it time to delve into Sports World Publishing and give followers of this site a view as to the credibility of their product, which seems to churn out a never ending streamo of systems and services without which you can’t function, —none later than today, extolling the virtues of DEREK NADIN’S LAY S, which you recently trialled.

  • Bryan says:

    Chris
    I had a three day trial with Martin Bishop 9 bets over the three days only one winner.Because the results where so bad he gave me a second trial.
    Second trial produced to winners all winners at short odds

  • Paul Morris says:

    Hi Chris,

    Martin Bishop is known to the ex-landlord here as a scam. He occasionally lands a few selections, but over a month you will looses with him. He is expensive (80+ per month) and will introduce third party tipsters, who are even worse. His site is not proofed, so contains made up information. Stay clear, use racing-index.co.uk for the league table of the most successful tipsters, you can do well by joining for the peak months.

    regards,
    Paul

  • Patrick says:

    Any reviews on TNT sports betting?

  • chris says:

    Does anyone use Martin Bishop’s advisory service? I got a 3 day trial and would have been up €2,250 but my friend got a trial a few days later and he had 7 straight losers and was down about €3,000(paper trial). Anybody use his service?

  • max wax says:

    I am of the opinion that these bookie so and so’s are exchanging the names of banned/ winning accounts.
    I have just had my Victor Chandler account closed for no apparent reason. Certainly not for winning.
    How do I receive my free £20 per month bet for subscribing to Racing UK. now? No doubt it is somewhere in their terms and conditions.
    Surely they must have to remove this from their adverts.

    Max

  • karl says:

    tony,
    with regard to the theoretical p/l. i always test for a month first. i joined on the 8th oct to 8 th nov
    staking plan
    win = £100
    each way = £100ew
    double = £50ew
    treble = £25ew
    fourtimer = £12.5
    lays= to lose £100 to bsp with 5% commission

    the inconsistent one is win. that probably should have been £200.

    after 30 days down £4000 ( not actually)

    on his win selections i went with his advised prices to work p/l out and laying bsp with 5%

  • karl says:

    Tony,
    not now. the answer messages on my machine delete after 7 days. i live in vietnam and was heading back on the day he threatened me. i emailed sports world and told them i have left it in the hands of the police. they replied they didnt realise that it had escalated that far

  • Sgt Ian says:

    Hi Karl,

    Please use actual or roundabout figures, you can “theoretically” win or lose an infinite amount!

    If you did have a bad experience tell us about it, what size bank did you use, how much were the advised stakes, what was the strike rate e.t.c???

    Now i know you probably didn’t mean to be so ambiguous, so dont take this post the wrong way. The whole point of this website is to bring real life reviews and opinions on systems into the public eye under scrutiny.

    It is extremely helpful when we get real life experiences from paying members of a service, so if you could elaborate, i think it would be extremely beneficial to our readers.

    Cheers

    Sgt Ian

  • Sgt Tony Tony Ryan says:

    Karl

    Your allegation about the threats from Russell Gibbs is quite serious – can you substantiate that statement? Also, can you explain how you “theoretically” lost over £4,000?

    Regards

    Tony

  • Christopher says:

    Auto betting monster: Scam!

  • Christopher says:

    Does anyone know anything about sure bettor software

  • Sgt Philip says:

    Hi Guys

    I reply to Betting Student and the Surebettor auto betting software, I have looked at the site and compared it with the much hyped arbitrage spy software. Now I cannot be 100% sure, however being a betting man I would put money on this being the same software. Both websites have a very similar theme and both offer a £50 cash return, if you can’t make money with the software.

    My advice is simple, keep your money in your pocket!!

    If you can’t resist keep closing the page and you will eventually get the software for £25 instead of £45, but “let the buyer beware!”

  • Ron says:

    Hi guys – this is a great site, actually the best review site I have ever stumbled across. I only wished I’d found it before I bought Roulette Bandit. Keep up the good work
    sincerely
    Ron

  • Betting student says:

    Any reviews about surebettor auto betting software. please let me know if this worth buying

  • karl says:

    i used russell gibbs from 8th oct to 8th nov. waste of money. he uses isp and not bsp. he doesnt deduct commission. he threathened to beat the sh*t out of me. theoretically i lost over 4000 on his selections in that period.

  • Darren says:

    I’ll second that Paul. Did a feature on this “system” ourselves….

  • Paul Shires says:

    Hi,

    Quick message about Betfair Trading Expert by “DR” Matt Abrahams. Ths is a complete rip off of other people’s work, mine included.
    The tennis strats have been copied from my site at trade shark tennis

    Cashmaster blog did a review of both aand found more than enough evidence of his being a copy.

    Lets stop this idiot making any more money from other people’s work.

  • emilio says:

    Hi everybody !
    any news about betfair miracle’s latest results ? (october , november) . Is it still profitable ?
    Thanks !
    Regards
    Emilio

    p.s per Marco : è molto più semplice e comodo golden key (funziona finchè i book non ti limitano le puntate …)

  • Marco says:

    Hello, I’m going to invest 1000€ in bets but first I have to choose a valid betting system. I’m from Italy so I can’t understand english very well. Which system do you think is better for me? Are golden key and all by the book to hard to understand?
    Thanks
    Marco

  • Dave says:

    Hello everyone,has anyone ever used the legacy and saver horseracing system,I have seen were this system makes good profits every year,any help about this system would be much appreciated,
    thanks Dave

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    I cant help with the Martin Bishop but is the roulettte from the well known scammer “Supposedly” Scott Colton? psychicroulette? Ive just gone over some old postings and he was supposedly pushing a roulette system not so long ago. One to avoid if it is anything to do with Scott. in my opinion

  • Michael Warden says:

    Any info on Martin Bishop please ?

    Also, I have received TWO very glossy postings regarding the Ronald Craig roulette ‘exploiting the loophole in the RNG software’. The second posting included a DVD ‘ showing ‘ him winning 100 GBP in less than one hour. Now this HAS to a con of some sort but just how did he show the logging onto the Betfred site, the winnings going up and the logging off ???

    Any answers please.

  • spencer says:

    Yes Guru seems i did! thanks for info :)

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Did you miss the banner on the front page?

    We have put the offer though the 5 point check and it failed miserably.

    http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/scam/2010/11/02/auto-betting-monster-review-scam/

  • spencer says:

    Auto betting monster anyone know anything about this software?.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Thankyou William.

  • William says:

    HI James A big thanks for all your efforts in running this site and for all the rubbish systems that you have exposed, I would like to wish you well for whatever your future is and this site may not be the same again.
    All the best
    William.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Steven that would be like asking if Betting System Truths had been reviewed. They are the same sort of outfit.

    Richard

  • Steven says:

    Has anyone reviewed Total Betting Club?

  • Pete says:

    What has happened to Betfair Exchange/Private, It has not turned a profit since it was recommened by Dave.

    What is going on, It is a wase of money.
    26/10/2010

    Regards

    Pete

  • Michael Warden says:

    Any comments please on :

    POWER FAVOURITES from Surewin and WIN AND PLACE INVESTMENT PLAN from Sportsworld Publishing.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi DrDreier

    No not a scam at all. The free trial was recommended by BST.

    Cheers

    BSG

  • DrDreier says:

    Just received something about justbigpublishing.
    Scam?

  • michael says:

    Hi,please tell me your opinion for 2 products.TNT sports betting by Frank Belangher and sports betting solution for american sports NFL, NBA,MLB.Thank you 25/10/10

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Having spoken to Steve this is not his product it is just something he is promoting. We do not have any review space currently to start any new reviews but we do have a list of 5+ products now on the rview waiting list.

    BSG

  • fraser says:

    Will you guys be reviewing betting grenade – from the Steve Davidson stable – usually good but probably involves following live racing?
    Fraser.

  • ROBY says:

    tommo 99

    Masterplan does as it says on the webpage.

    if ur into steady consistent gains, its for u. easy to understand and use, only ones own head could mess this up…ie being greedy

    cheers

  • Tom Collins says:

    Is BETTING SUPER PROFITS, a scam ?

  • Stewart says:

    Hi,this is my first post,fantastic site by the way.
    Does anyone know of a ROSS MIHAL at rmclubdirect.com he
    constantly sends me emails of systems he has for sale his
    latest being BLACK BELT TENNIS TRADING selling at nearly
    £300 + vat. Thanks for any info.

  • Sgt Philip says:

    Betting Rebellion has all the trademarks of a scam, the same people are peddling this £47 wonder system and if you decide to exit the sales page you can obtain it for £37. My advice is keep yoour money in your pocket.

  • Darren says:

    Colin. Had a steer on that from Clive Keeling on this, it is a rip off of his work. I have highlighted on my site, Bet 72

  • Geoff says:

    Hi,

    Do you have any results in from Russell Gibbs?

    Geoff.

  • Raceyrob says:

    Strongly suspect betting Rebellion is another scam at the moment -I feel they are just trying to use a different method in catching people,will be interesting what the cost will be. I have had a couple of little stabs at the !6/1 system which has failed every time so far.

    Also just read the BST weekly update page and the Guru wants people to start using the sites blogg and as no one has done so it’s likely that it’s going to be removed – I thought this was it but it seems not so does anyone know where it is on the site?

    Rob

  • tomo999 says:

    hi any 1 heard of the masterplan system
    thanx tomo

  • Colin says:

    Any approach to this site re Betting Rebellion, currently being hyped? Release date Thursday.

  • rcfraser says:

    Just read your Scam Busting Course, which I found was quite informative. I tried to have a look at juicestorm.com but got a 404 Maybe they’ve gone to ground when they found out you were onto them!

  • Rob says:

    Actually managed to get a bet on using “all by the book” – 1940 at Kempton which only had four runners – landed up being over £8.00 down ! Did anyone else have a similar failure or am I going completely wrong? !

    Rob

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    Hi Guys

    I am not really sure where to put this, but I have been a member of cappers delight for the last month, and it has been nothing but excellent, and last night they achieved a first for me with a service in doubling my bank.

    I dont want to run on too much about how I like this service as it is important for people not to read this and think this is a mini review, but I could not think of a service that derserves for you to run your eyes over more.

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    @ Matt

    I got magic millie at 8/1, and my lay liability was £37 so would of been £33 profit which I beleive would of been 33 points profit!

  • johnny25 says:

    Has anyone heard of markets mastered?

  • Sgt Rob says:

    @ Bill,
    Hi Bill, Sgt Rob here, sorry for my tardiness, the review is almost done in draft format (all reviewers can save their posts in draft format) , all I have to do is add the final rating. Should be available for reading tomorrow (Thurs) by midday.
    Rather then tease, it will be firmly approved on a basis that you lay at either 4.0 (and keep in-running if not initially matched) or any odds.
    But full review and stats will be posted in the morning.

    Thanks for your interest,
    Sgt Rob (posting through the web site and not the reviewer’s ‘portal’.

  • Matt. says:

    Hi John

    Re KT, just using something remotely doesn’t really appeal to me. I’d have thought they have a pretty sturdy setup, but if their server went down for any period of time, you’re not going to be able to use it and your profit-making potential becomes zero, and if indeed it got hacked, well I guess someone with the know-how to do so can get access to your Betfair login, your email, your payment details for the subscription fees, any and all of your personal details…. Not a likely event perhaps, but like I say not something that really appeals to me from a group of people I do not know and have no reason to trust.

    As donniemac says, there were people on here a few weeks ago lording KT up, presumably they’re users of the system, so could shed some more light if you’re really interested.

    Karl – what did you get Magic Millie at and what is your best individual result to date, just out of interest? Think my personal best is 7 points on a horse called Banna Man a couple of months ago which was pretty nice :)

    Cheers
    Matt.

  • Bill says:

    Layers of Profit

    Hi Rob,

    When can we expect a final review of this system ?

    http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/?s=%22layers+of+profit%22

    With thanks,

    Bill

  • John says:

    Matt – re KnightTrader

    When you mention about logging into a remote server to use their service:

    “That in itself might be a worry, but given that it’s server based, should that server fail or be hacked, you’re in trouble, and that doesn’t appeal to me.”

    What would be the worst to happen if this was the case, if the server failed or was indeed ‘hacked’?

    I’ve been very tempted to sign up to Knight Trader myself, I’ve got the investment to do it but as you say I’m a little concerned about something that I don’t have any proof that it works.

    Have we not got anyone on here who can give us more information on KT?

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    How gutting Magic Millie could not win for the Golden Key Method today on Variant 1, went off at 4.39 BSP a massive backed in horse

  • Dave says:

    Has anybody had any use of/dealings with Ronald Craig’s roulette system, Daily Profit Maker. It claims to take advantage of a glitch in the random number generator/government regulations, so isn’t posted as a system as such. I’m obviously sceptical, but thought it worth seeing whether anyone had any hands-on use.

  • Rob says:

    Hi again
    on another note – I purchased “all by the book” which on the face of it seems a good system but I’m having problems finding qualifying races i.e. I can’t get the percentage – in fact haven’t been able to since I purchased the system a few weeks back ( don’t do every day though) – does anyone else have the same problem?

  • Rob says:

    hi all

    can any one tell me where if any where in Racing Post it tells you what the sex of a particular horse is please?

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    Hi Karl, re The Masterplan.

    If you had £150, on a single bet that lost, what size was the next bet, which presumably won? LG.

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    Ivan. None as I am aware. I take them both to mean bet the same amount each time. LG.

  • Ivan says:

    Hello,
    just one ask from newbie. What is the differences between flat stakes and level stakes.
    Thanks

  • Dave says:

    Hi folks,

    Anybody know anything about BulletProofBets ? It is a piece of arbitrage software.

    Cheers

    Dave

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    Sorry I mean to add that the Masterplan is essentially this.

    3 systems controlled by a bot

    1st system a progressive staking system betting on Favs in certain races, to win a % of your bank daily, Stop at a winner

    2nd system is a dutching system that dutches the top 2 in the market from the same races as system 1, to win a % of your bank each day.

    3rd system is a progressive laying system that aims to win a % of bank with Stop at a winner, lays in the races of system 1 and 2.

    on a £500 bank at one point 30% o my bank was out on 1 horse to win and it lost.

  • Sgt Karl Karl says:

    I noticed Declan was asking about Masterplan here is my review. Basically I took a trial and here was my findings

    My trial has now finished, and bank is £513, so in the 7 days the Bot made £13.

    The Good.

    Their customer service, best I have experienced despite his slightly sarcastic email to all members, when I questioned the validity of betting such a large proportion of the bank on a single horse.

    It does work, I can not disagree with them.

    The Bad.

    They come across as they think they have re-invented the wheel, when in-fact they have not.

    Their price point, is completely out of touch with what they recommend as a starting bank, they use £375 as a guide, which means you would be running the system at a loss for months. as Subs would outway what you were making, and this presumes they dont have any big losses.

    You need at least £2k starting bank to justify their subscription fee.

    My biggest gripe and it is a game killer is their racing days, in the 7 days we had 2 “green” days, just 2, I can understand they dont want to risk losses, but they dont extend your subscription, and they send the selections through and recommend not using them and having a day off.

    I questioned them about this and their responce was they can not help the weather. but that is a stupid comment as this is England. The weather affects everything!

    So in closing

    I asked them to extend my trial as I only got to see bot run for 2 days. They refused

    I asked them to give me the first month at half price to allow my bank to grow to justify their high sub fees. They refused

    now they completly made themselves look a bit silly here, to my request for first month at half price they suggested in a roundabout way I should have the foresight to run at a loss for several months as their Bot is worth it with the statement “We will reflect only on the sadness of a customer who clearly sees the power of the system but feels he cannot invest for the future”

    yet their reason for not extending my trial was.

    “the problem with extending the trial is that we then run into a cost. We are able to give a trial period because we get a period of grace before we have to pay for your continued access to the Betfair platform”

    so they expect me to run at a loss, but they would not be willing to do the same to hope that I would join.

    Of course one would argue why should they, and maybe they have a point, but then I am not willing to run at a loss with the hope that the bot performs perfectly so in 6 months I start to make enough to cover subs!

    so there you have it, did I like it, the answer is yes, and if I had 2k just laying about I would go for it, But and it is a big BUT, everytime you come in at night there is always that nagging feeling at the bottom of your stomach that you could sit down to look at the days results knowing you could be about to see it has lost the lot.

    And this is why it will ultimately fail at some point. and take the banks with it.

    Ask yourself this.

    As you sit down in a chair with a gun loaded and one bullet in the chamber.
    Do I feel lucky.

    If you like that feeling this is for you.

  • brian says:

    cont/
    To return to lst card, if you have lost on spin 1 2 3 4 and 5 I continue on (I am using 1 2 4 8 progression) and bet 8 units using 2nd card sequence for bets. Sometimes I have had to have up to 20 spins betting 8 units before it has all come right allowing for not winning every subsequent bet. Getting up to 20 spins is not usual and as soon as you have recovered your losses revert to 1 unit. If you go to 16 units you will win without having to go on as often. Sounds complicated but you should be a master within 5 mins.
    Best of luck and let me know how it goes. Brian (bleep24)

  • brian says:

    cont/ start at lst card – if it says R then bet l unit on R. If win move to 2nd card and bet 1 unit on lst colour. If B comes up on lst bet (lst card) then bet 2 units on next colour in list. Stop when you have won on that card and move to next card and carry on in same way. I usually shuffle the cards periodically or do some free spinning. You can use more cards if you wish (just look at betting history to get a run of R`s and B`s. Of course you can do the same with odd and even/high and low. It works with Live casino and because that is slower you can do all three (use lower stakes) on 1 spin.
    cont/

  • brian says:

    Hi everyone,
    Was going to buy the Fisher system but don`t from the reviews if it`s any good. I am using a method for roulette and I have very rarely lost. It is not my invention but I have tweaked it slightly. I am using it at Totesport, Bet 365 and Wm. Hill. It involves outside bets, not massive progression and random betting (which gets over long losing runs. e.g. 12 blacks – 10 high – 11 even etc. etc. which is what wipes out all the previous winnings. Have 4 postcards (or similar) and write on lst: R R B R B on 2nd: B B R B R on 3rd card: B R R B R and on 4th card R B B R B Use progression 1 unit 2 4 8 or up to 16 if you are not of a nervous disposition (or have a large bank) cont/

  • James Stableford says:

    Just to warn everyone of the Betfairtradingexpert system. They have made possibly the biggest school boy error that I have ever seen. In their screen shots they have forgotten the commas (separators) that Betfair include between numbers (i,e £1,100).

    SCAM

  • emilio says:

    Hi everybody !
    i’m looking for someone who can suggest me an alternative method to trade automatically the golden key 2 selections (betfair variant 4).
    Potentially betsoftpro software (free ) recommended by Steve would be great but unfortunately there are still many bugs to fix, and now it is not safe to use .
    Some might suggest alternative bot?
    THANKS and regards !
    Emilio.

  • donnie says:

    a few weeks ago some bloggers were using this system. hopefully they’re still around to give us an update.one described it as ” the dog’s bollocks”!!! hope she still feels that way.

  • Matt. says:

    Hi

    Lot of chat on here about knight trader and having read the website, it seems that you tell them how much you want to win in a calendar year and they give you the tools to do it and charge you a monthly fee which equates over the course of one year to 20% of what you initially told them you wanted to achieve.

    So, you tell them you want to win £6000, they charge you £100 per month = £1200 = 20% of £6000.

    Everything on their site seems to boil down to achieving a profit per market and they estimate there will be 12000 markets (individual races) per year. All their profit targets are also based on multiples of 12 or 12000 and given that there are 12 months in a year 12 seems to be their magic number!!

    It looks like they did at one stage offer a free trial for A DAY but have now withdrawn this because the application is server based (you log in remotely) and their servers can’t cope with demand. That in itself might be a worry, but given that it’s server based, should that server fail or be hacked, you’re in trouble, and that doesn’t appeal to me.

    Something that confuses me is that your ‘opening bot balance’ has to be a figure between A and B where A is the lowest acceptable amount and B is the highest. These figures vary depending on your subscription level and required annual profit figure. I think from reading that the bot compounds any profits until it reaches figure B at which point it ‘provides an income’. Not really sure what they mean by that, presumably that will be free money you can start withdrawing from Betfair without harming the earnings potential of the bot.

    It’s certainly a different way of playing Betfair but i’m not prepared to stump up £100 minimum a month for something I have no proof works. Not really alot else I can say about it, we need people who have actually used it to input now..

    Cheers
    Matt.

  • Sgt Brendan says:

    donnie,
    Sales page is there also I recieved selections already this morning.
    Results are not updated though!
    As always we will continue to the 84 day stage ,only 14 days to go

    Brendan

  • donnie says:

    sgt Brendan,
    have dreamlays withdrawn their ales page? and if so you should end the trial now and condemn the system. £8000 + losses in September

  • SMC says:

    Can anyone reccomend a good solid tipping service of the 2nd income variety, any market.

  • tomo999 says:

    hi any 1 using pin point lays

  • donnie says:

    hi georgios,
    and your point is???

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Yes this is the Champion Lays service I believe that we have already reviewed and categorised earlier. The only difference I think is the y are now offering it as an automated solution as where before it was just tips…

    BSG

  • Georgios says:

    Hi all,

    See below what I have been “offered”……:

    Hi geo,

    Tomorrow at 9am the Champion Lays Automated
    Football Bot Goes *Live*

    So if you would like a head start of 1 Hour then
    you need to head over to the registration page
    RIGHT NOW!

    ====> Early Registration Page

    After over 2000 users and 6.25 points profit over the two
    weeks, the trial has been a great success, however
    it isn’t all good news.

    As before we like to test liquidity and we like to keep
    our group exclsuive so for managable members we are
    only accepting 100 new users.

    ====> Early Registration Page

    As you know I don’t BS and Champion Lays has been
    off the market since July and with this new automated
    bot it makes everything hands free! 😀

    So if you would like a head start then head over to the
    registration page and enter your email and we’ll see you
    at 8am on Friday.

    Talk Soon

    Betting System Giveaway Team.

    ====> Early Registration Page

  • Dave M says:

    Hi, I note the review on Dream Lays and comments, however with some sensible filtering I am finding it quite profitable. Keep between 4.0 and 7.5 SP also watch top jockies in first three if selected dispence. Since 21st September on only £5.00 stake I’m £120 up.

  • donnie says:

    Hi All,
    can’t think of a worse time for DREAMLAYS to be inviting us to enjoy cut price membership. no details of Sept. performance, which, thanks to B.S.T., we know has registered losses to date of app £10,500 to suggested stakes!!!!!

  • Declan says:

    Hi

    Has anybody come across the master plan?

    How are you getting on?

  • donnie says:

    Hi there,
    would any subscribers to K NIGHTRADER care to share their thoughts thereon?

  • albert says:

    Thank you to all who work for this site!I am delighted to meet you.Your fan,

    Albert

  • Lawrence from Durham says:

    Hi. I’d also be interested in that Matt Nesbitt inquiry as I get a weekly email from him with some stats and a recommended bet, (which performs quite well, I have to say).

    Also, what is the general consensus about betting strategies with regards to lay systems?

    To wager % of bank as liability or as a straight stake?

    Would I be correct to assume that straight stake carries more risk but greater potental gains while staking to liability is safer but slower?

    I guess that it may depend on the max price that you are willing to lay at.

    Any thoughts on the subject most welcom. LG.

  • Shep says:

    Hi all, could you please give me some history on matt nesbitt and his football betting website, is he genuine can he be trusted, he’s sent me email and it’s a good pitch sounds a very good service but wanted some advice before I signed up, any help will be appreciated, thanks

  • dave fash says:

    i think you should review steve jones cd systems PROLAYS… cdsystems.uk.com ?
    he has a logical view of laying that safeguards your investment???

  • Bruce says:

    Hi All
    Fantastic site very informative,has anyone heard of The Leverage System it’s something I received in the post and like all systems sounds like bee’s knee’s but having been caught many times in the past any info would be a help.
    Cheers
    Bruce

  • Richard says:

    Greetings all

    Has anyone out there got any experience of The Leverage System, currently being sold by Surewin on behalf of Ultimate Winning Solutions ? Surewin are a very reputable organisation( unlike some ! ) and i’d be interested if anyone has any feedback re this system.Thanks

  • Bugali says:

    Hi !
    I found the bot you are all talking about knight trader !
    Well you can google it with “knighttrader uk” or you even
    can see it on youtube…. I saw some video’s on the bot itself running
    and it look reall! ..

    Does anyone already running this bot ?

    Thanks
    Bugail

  • Matt. says:

    Cheers Jon

    I suppose that’s where it gets it’s name from then!! Seems unbelievable that such a system is not for sale commercially with the returns it is generating.

    The rules to that particular system are actually available for free on another site, but I will likely sign up to the club anyway, just to see what else is on offer. So refreshing to hear of a group of people developing and tweaking each others systems for the benefit of everyone involved instead of marketeers pumping your email full of fluff.

    I’ve got about a dozen variations on my primary system GKM2 which I would like to trial, but not sure about treading on the toes of the author etc.

    Anyway, cheers again.
    Matt.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Yes it is a scam Nagaraj… Anything signed “Shawn Jakobs” with only 100 copies available is a scam.

  • Nagaraj says:

    Hi

    Are you going to review betfair cashvault?

    I am quite interested but want to see if you think it is a scam first.

    Thanks.

  • Nagaraj says:

    Hi,

    As Andy asked, about reviewing autobetsystemx?

    Is Autobetsystemx failed the 5 point check and deemed as Scam?

    Please confirm

  • Sgt Philip says:

    Hi Bloggers

    Just another suspected scam warning for you – my inbox has been hit with the latest fantastic system called Betfair Cash Vault, however if you look at the sales pitch and even photos of “nice houses” and then compare with another website “http://fourpointformula.com”. You will see that this appears to be a rehashed version of the already “scammed” Four Point Formula, okay so the names and values are different, but the same house photo? I would give this one a wide berth.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Hi Matt

    The AJ system has achieved unbelievable results BUT you need at least a 1,000 point plus bank because there are long losing runs. It regularly picks up winners at BSP 30 + and yesterday picked up an Irish winner at BSP 225. The system reminds me a lot of The Life System mentioned elsewhere – “waiting for a winner”. The 999/1 winner may have been a fluke but the horse was selected according to the system rules so nothing fishy there as I was watching the race as it happened. Just wish I’d put my money down !

    What you have to keep in mind with Total Betting Club is that no-one is trying to sell you anything as 99% of the systems being discussed and trialled are members own systems (one of mine called “Don’t Tell The Wife” is being trialled at the moment!) I have found Total Betting Club to be an excellent forum with lots of good ideas on horse racing, football and other sports.

    Louis who runs the forum is very approachable and knowledgeable as are many other members. Very little ranting goes on as we are trying to help each other improve our skills etc.

    This is beginning to sound like a promotion which is not intended. I have nothing to do with TBC other than being a happy member.

    The Total Betting Club

    Cheers
    Jon

  • Martin says:

    Sgt. Jon – Thanks for your thoughts regarding Total Betting Club. I might just take your advice and give it a whirl – cheers!

  • Matt. says:

    Hi Jon

    You seem to be the man in the know regards the Total Betting Club… This Adrenaline Junkie System that got a winner at 999/1… surely a total one-off fluke? None of their months show more than 1000 points profit, which leads me to assume that the month it picked a 999/1 winner it would have made a loss apart from that ridiculous result?

    Fantastic profits reported all throughout the year, can you vouch for these and are they sustainable? Or do you have to rely on 999/1 and 599/1 winners?

    Cheers
    Matt.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Colin

    The Old One Two system you mention is as profitable as claimed. I don’t think it’s fair to start disclosing rules here so why not join TBC for a month and monitor results for yourself? Your other questions will be answered once you know the system rules etc! Almost 100% of the systems discussed and “trialled” on TBC are members own systems – not the commercial garbage you see punted around every week.

    Sgt Jon

  • Colin says:

    Re Total betting club and a system called 1/2. They promote this to me regularly. Sounds too good to be true! Does anyone have experience of this system. Does it require a bot or the user having to be online at racetimes? Can bets be in the morning and left?

  • Eddie says:

    How has Knight Trader been performing guys?

  • donnie says:

    Hi All,
    has anybody come across a STU THOMAS, who is currently bombarding me with details of the success of a toilet salesman called Grey something or other? this guy ,THOMAS, is a total nutter and an insult to one’s intelligence.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Hi Martin

    I have been a subscriber to The Total Betting Club for almost a year and can wholeheartedly recommend this forum. I have picked up many good ideas and systems developed and shared by members. Occasionally they trial a commercial system but really the benefit of membership is learning and sharing ideas. One system picked a horse priced at 1,000 on Betfair and guess what?……..It won!

    Cheers
    Jon

  • Martin says:

    Hi all – does anyone know much about an online outfit called The Total Betting Club? I get a regular email from them, inviting membership and access to winning betting systems for around £19.00 per month, and claiming the kind of mouth-watering success that one might only dream of – unless it is true, of course! Does anyone have experience of them?

  • Andy says:

    Cheers for the quick reply, saved me some money!

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Andy it has failed the 5 point check. This is deemed as a scam according to the ebook.

    Jon Tilps

    BST Support

  • Andy says:

    Hey are you going to review auto bet system x? its been in my inbox lately and I am quite interested but want to see if you think it is a scam first. thanks.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    The Life System proved to be a very successful backing system where you were “waiting for a winner”. And they kept cropping up day after day! During the three trials I ran on another blog, the system produced up to 180 points net profit in 2-3 weeks and kept finding those unfancied horses that romped home at 25/1 or longer. The only downside was that losses could run up quite a loss as well and you had to have a substantial bank and use a sensible stop loss to protect your gains.

    I wouldn’t want to run another trial as it can be time consuming and you really have to watch the live markets up to the Off. But if you can persuade The Commissioner to sell you version 2 that was introduced, I think in 2008 with additional filters, you will certainly have a lot of fun and experience a regular adrenalin rush as your “no hopers” upset the form book time and time again.

    Cheers
    Sgt Jon

  • Rene Le Sueur says:

    autobetsystemx.com

    another system, what about it? ……………… Rene

  • Ger says:

    Hi does anybody know about autobetsystemx.com and why I got an email from this website promoting it when there are no reviews of it anywere?? scam?


    Admin

    You never got an email from this website. The people promoting it are trying to fool people into thinking we have sent an email when we havent. They even now put alink in that when pressed comes to our website. I am working with clickbank and my solicitor and now there email provider Icontact right now to sue for damages. I will let you now how we get on.

  • donnie says:

    can the reviewer of wizzard of odds tells us how he got the bet for Wedy., 15th. as this was a 7 point bet winner I am preety miffed with the message from wooz on my phone this morning

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Probably best to Let Sgt Jon comment on this as it was he who reviewed The Life System but the results were posted on a different blog. I still use this system when i get time. This is more of a fun system than anything spectacularly professional but i have hundreds of testmonials from happy folk, i might dig them out one day and work with people on the blog into making TLS a more profitable and stable system to use. Over to Jon!

  • Jo says:

    Hi in reply to Robin I would say leave Henry Rix well alone, I lost thousands with his service. It is very expensive too, don’t believe the hype unless you are very rich!! If you want to check out many major tipsters including Henry Rix, then look at Relayline, much better value. You might find something there to suit you.
    Jo

  • Ian says:

    Can you explain why The Life System is not on your approved list and if it hasn’t been reviewed, why not?

  • donnie says:

    Hi Drilla,
    great to hear confirmation of Alex’s recommendation. Can you tell us does it target. e.g. horses? football? financial?

  • drilla says:

    i’ve been using knight trader for over a week now since i read Alex’s recommendations and to be honest it is the dogs bollox……well done for bringing it to our attention

  • robin longmore says:

    Hi

    As a recent recruit I would like to give details of my experiences over the past 5 years, during which I have spent over £1K on systems which all failed to live up to the ad. Most recent was Arbitragespy, which seems to be getting plenty of adverse comments. I have asked for my money back; no response yet. I have tried several tipsters without any luck. The most recent was R Dunwoody. Initially I increased my bank by a factor of 5, only to see it all go in a couple of weeks. At least there was someone to talk to; if anyone is looking at a system check there is a phone no. which works. I also tried Brimardon. Despite their website posting winners each day for the previous day’s racing I saw very few. I am now looking at Henry Rix but this is very expensive. All I want is to win a tenner a day. (I had 2 strokes last year so don’t have energy for anything exciting, but a few bets each day would be fun. Any suggestions?

    Robin

  • Eddie says:

    Tom
    How has the Knight Trader been doing as they have now stopped the free trial.

  • Geoff says:

    Hi,

    Does anyone have any information on a new service by Russell Gibbs from Sportsworld? I’ve tried emailing them, but having emails returned. I’ve had one bad experience “Simply The Best!!!!!!!” from them, so a little apprehensive about handing over my hard earned before getting a few more results. The June back and August lay results are very impressive, but it seems a little strange that July and August backs etc., are’nt given. Also not being able to get in touch with S.W. for September results either, I am a little suspicious about this being as good as it looks. Can anyone help?

    Cheers,
    G.

  • Jo says:

    Hi
    first of all, great site, really helpful reading comments from real punters, thanks! Have been reading everything about All By The Book and I’m very interested. I’ve bought lots of systems none of which have worked in the long term for me. Before I part with my hard earnt cash can anyone please let me know what is the SMALLEST bank I can get away with for ABTB? Also is it worth investing in Golden Key 2 as well or should I start with just ABTB? Thanks for all your help
    Jo

  • Eddie says:

    Think I have found the website

    [No links allowed Sorry]

    Jon

    BST support

  • Calvin says:

    Hi guys,

    I am looking for a reliable betting bot that can lay uk race meeting the moment betfair put up the meeting, is that one such bot that can do that at all?

    Please advise

  • carlw says:

    Could anyone recommend a system that you can start with a pretty low pot and gradually build it up ? as there seem to be many decent systems reviewed on here.

    cheers guys

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Guys ive done some searching and I cannot find anything about it as we would probably try and set up a review of it. The only thing I can find is something to do with trading stocks etc…

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Alex,
    can you tell us a bit more about how to find Knighttrader?

  • MikeL says:

    Mark… I found a reference to this on the gruss-software forum…

  • Mark says:

    Tom, can you share the url of this knighttrader software? Googled it and can’t find any result in reference to this software.

    Thanks

  • Tom says:

    Alex….. Thanks for the recommendation for knighttrader. I had to wait a few days to get set up which was a bit annoying, but I’ve been up and running for 4 days and although its early days, this looks like the real deal! I’ve made 120 point profit so far, how you doing?

  • Simon says:

    Anyone doing a review of ‘Format Racing Method’ soon ? Geegeez okayed it to 1 point per day and stop process, but reckoned it’d be a loser otherwise. Gambling System Reviews okayed it, but only after a month’s trial, and the first few days looked decidedly dicey. I would like to hear BST’s verdict on this system.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Paul and everyone else who is in doubt…

    IF you are unsure whether an email is transmitted from Betting System Truths or
    someone impersonating Betting System Truths just hit this link:

    http://www.aweber.com/archive/bettingtruths

    and check to see if the newsletter you received is registered there. If it is not there
    then we have not sent it. Its that simple. The scammers every day are using new
    tactics to try to fool you into purchasing the next product launch. Very rarely will
    Betting System Truths participate in product launches.

    Betting System Guru

  • paul says:

    hello, i follow your website daily and remembered something about scam e mails purporing to be from you….well today i had one..i think….it was advertising “hendersons betting bible” and was signed from BARRY NEWMAN..is this e mail from you?
    thanks
    paul

  • Matt. says:

    Kev

    Check page 8 of this topic, Anne very kindly gave tips and advice on just this matter.

  • kevin garland says:

    hi
    does anyone have suggestions how to get around bookie restrictions/banning when using systems like all by the book ?

    regards kevin garland

  • Matt. says:

    Hi

    So I see that Betfair ATM is too time consuming to trial here, but has anybody who is using it got anything to say on it, good or bad?

    Cheers.

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Hi Alan yes I changed the layout slightly because sometimes when reviewers were posting tables direct from microsoft excel the data was going behind the right hand side menu and not formatting correctly. Now the postings are on the right they dont do this and format for us properley.

    The only other thing that has changed is instead of having every post fully laid out on each page we know have short exerpts of each post and you can click on [Full Story] To read the whole post. You can still also comment on each post also.

    The majority of posts there are no comments but there is obviously alot of discussion regarding the passsed products in those sections.

  • tomo999 says:

    hi all
    any one know any thing obout betfair slasher

  • Alan says:

    Morning Commissioner sir,

    A question on your web site. Is it just me or have you changed the page layout in the last week or so ?
    Menu is now down the left hand side and postings on the right but most importantly I cannot find the section where constables post their questions or comments which is one of the most interesting and entertaining parts of the site.

    There is the occasional contribution from readers on the “home” page, the latest one being from Betting System Guru regarding clickbank refunds but this is not the comprehensive list we had before where the comments were related to the system being assessed.

    Cheers,

  • Site Admin James Betting System Guru says:

    Good advice Phillip alternatively send an email to refunds@clickbank.com detailing why you want a refund and include your clickbank order number. I find this to be the quickest and most reliable way to get my money back.

  • Sgt Philip says:

    Hi Guys

    Just a reminder about clickbank refunds. If you have purchased via clickbank you can go straight to them for a refund within 60 days. So if you have been scammed do not e-mail the scam artist for a refund. Go direct to clickbank.com, Click “help centre ” in the last tab on the right then under “customer help” in green on the left hand side, click “look up your order”.

    Next input your customer order number, email address etc and press “submit”. You then need to click “get support” in the top left corner, next click the arrow at the end of the “select a reason” drop down menu and choose “more options”. The following screen will give you the refund request option and you can then choose a reason for your refund.

    Normally, clickbank will confirm a refund within 48 hours.

    Hope this helps.

  • Alex says:

    Hi

    Jachi……I am like you, I’ve tried the lot and I’ve always tried to keep an open mind but there is so much carp and misinformation out there!

    The two lessons I have learnt over the years are;

    Not to touch anything based on past results, you know the sort of thing…….Runners between 8 and 16, non handicap, good going only, the Jockeys called Fred and he’s wearing red underpants! The only certainties in betting are the odds are accurate and the results are random. All these guys do is look at a bunch of results and when they see a pattern that becomes their system. They fail to appreciate or don’t want to believe, that they’ve just picked out random results that collectively have beaten the odds.

    Secondly, avoid any system that claims a high strike rate as the key to success, a couple of bad results and “its” on its way to the fan! Strike rate means absolutely nothing and people get too hung up on it. A system with a 10% strike rate has just as much chance of making a profit as one with 80%.

  • Matt. says:

    Anne,

    Thanks, again.

    I’m only betting where I can find favourable or comparative odds between bookies and Betfair, and those opportunities are few and far between.

    Plenty of football this weekend, which is my only real area of expertise, but even then finding an opportunity based on odds AND based on likelihood of potential outcome is proving very difficult.

    Not going to give up though.

    Thanks a mil for the advice.
    Matt.

  • MikeL says:

    Hi Matt. LOL It’s not funny really..the power of Sod’s Law is almost unbelievable!

  • anne says:

    Hi Matt,

    Tennis!!! it is probably the worst sport for causing upsets :( It wouldn’t be my first choice, it is too unpredictable unless you really know your stuff.

    “What markets work best” that depends on your expertise, how much do you know about certain sports, you must have some background info on why you think a team or player will loose, you can’t just do a random bet.

    As for odds ranges, it varies, you can go two ways:

    1=try to stay low because if you do hit a winner then you don’t have to worry about getting a chunk of winnings to add to your offload. MLB is really good for that as the odds are usually quite low and close together.

    OR

    2= try to go high, because the higher the odds the less chance of something happening, BUT if you win the bet you will then have a load of winnings to try and shift on top of the money you originally wanted to get rid of.

    I personally do both, more often I go low though, but you must know about the sport, you just have to do your homework, there is no quick fix on this one.

    Yes, it is harder than it looks, if it was easy everyone would stay at home and not bother working.

    It is something you need to master, it requires time and patience. I think too many people on here are wanting a “quick fix” and just as Jachi says maybe they should get a part time job instead, you need to use your head when betting and more so if you want to make a living from it. I have said time and time again about patience and not to get greedy but still people don’t listen, you must stay one step ahead of the bookies at all times, think the way they think.

    I really can’t give much more advice on this, my previous posts explained the process and the mindset, I think you either “get it” or you don’t.

    Good Luck to all!

  • Matt. says:

    This ‘faking a loss’ is much more difficult than it sounds. I swear I couldn’t find so many winning selections if I tried. I’m almost thinking of running a tipping service…

    Anne et al – do you bet tennis or football? I’m currently betting the outsiders in tennis, and a draw or outsiders in the footy. Currently I am loading my bookies accounts with profit I don’t want!!

    What markets work best? And odds ranges? Help!!

    Thanks for your assistance.
    Matt.

  • Sgt Dave says:

    Hi Jachi
    If a systems average strike rate is say 86% and it is on a current winning run of say 34 and it has pushed the strike rate to 94% of course you have to expect a losing run to restore the balance.
    The author of Betfair Miracle also had Ultimate Lay Betting which has been out for a while now, although they do share some similarities they are not the same. On to BFM it had a bad last week in April which meant it lost 12.61 points that month, also it had bad 9 days in the last part of August for this month you would have lost 1.69 points. Despite all that from the 28th December to 31st August you would still be 67.01 points in profit. It has actually underpeformed this year so the last third might even be better.
    Of course what us reviewers try to do for you folk is where possible look for an edge and i pointed one out for BFM do not back Bonus selections unless they are also a main selection. That is what i use and i am showing a profit of 100.46 points in 8 months, sure April was still a losing month but least it was only 8.13 points. So do some systems make money the answer is yes , true its only a very small group.
    All By The Book and GKM2 are by the same authors, ABTB can make alot of money although you do require a fair size bank, you have to look at returns against risk not on how much you actually staked. Out of the two GKM 2 is more hard work and makes less profit but i believe the number of selections could be reduced whilst maintaing the same or greater profit.
    In fact the best thing to do with any method or system after you used it a while is to find ways to improve it, if you can do that and keep it to yourself then you will have that edge and value that Sgt Jon talked about in his posting.

    Regards
    Sgt Dave

  • Sgt Dave says:

    Hi Sgt Jon
    Some pretty sound advice especially about paper trading, BSG has mentioned this several times in the newsletter i just dont think the folks take it. One can understand that having purchased a system one would be eager to get started but unless you have money to burn be patient. Also not all systems are just a quick read some requiue more than that another area where folks slip up.

    Regards
    Sgt Dave

  • Alex says:

    Hi
    I’ve been using knighttrader, but I don’t see it reviewed anywhere on this site. I’ve tried everything and this is the first software I’ve ever recommended. It’s a Betfair betting bot and you should review it, it’s brilliant!

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Jachi

    Just to correct you on one of your comments…

    The “system for Life” is actually called The Life System and has only been around for three years. It is not a SAW system but is more accurately described as a “waiting for a winner” system.

    I have trialled both the original version that was released in 2007 and then helped James introduce various filters for the second more profitable method that greatly reduced the risk factor.

    I ran trials for over six months and despite the heated debates the system caused on racing forums, found it to be profitable over that period.

    The Life System requires a substantial bank because you may be backing up to 60+ horses every day BUT sensible use of a stop loss prevented wiping out the bank.

    Of course there are many profitable systems out there and as Marc tried to explain in another thread, it is really your own systems that provide the edge you need to be successful long term.

    I am presently trialling one of my own laying systems on another blog/forum which has produced 55 points in less than three weeks at an average Betfair SP 5.76. But I won’t be telling anyone what the selection process is as that is when everyone jumps on the bandwagon and the system will lose its edge.

    Whether you are backing or laying, the secret to long term success is finding value in the bet not buying get rich quick systems that everyone is using thereby destroying any edge that existed.

    You should monitor/paper trade any system for at least three months before risking your own money and that’s where Betting System Truths can help. The reviews on this site are truly independent and reviewers are not paid for their efforts or opinions. Few, if any, of the other review sites out there provide such an impartial service entirely free of charge.

    Best of luck
    Sgt Jon

  • jachi says:

    It seems a shame that there are so many unanswered questions on this site. Not much I can do about it because I don’t know the answers to most of them myself. However, to Brian, who asked me how I came All By the Book so long ago (I started using it end of May) I can’t actually remember! I think I saw a review that said it looked really promising. I have also have quite a lot of stuff via Steve Davis, who I think is reasonably genuine. He does a huge number of systems and advices and is into all sports. Some are ok some not. I think All By the Book is one of his.
    Someone mentions System for Life. This has been around donkey’s years. I did have a copy but never used it. I think it is a ‘stop at a winner’ system which I don’t like.
    Someone else asks about Lay the Ratings. I wrote in about this a month or so back. When it was recommended by Betting Truths it must have had a good run at the start of the flat. But it quickly became disasterous as the season progressed so maybe it works at certain times of the season because it sure as Hell hasn’t worked this last three months. I did consider using it to find winners because it identifies horses who have slipped down the handicap until they are on a winning mark.
    The Betfair Miracle is another passed by this site. I’ve been using this for a long time. It was previously sold under another name so I have tried and tested it for probably two years. I am still using it which says something (like it is not as bad as most) but after every winning run there seems to come a couple bad losers and I think it is at the same point it was last May.
    To the person who did not want to be rude and who asked whether any system wins I would have to say that, with the possible exceptions of All By The Book and The Golden Key Method (yes, Ive got that as well) there probably aren’t! These two require a lot of work for small returns but no risk to speak of.If you win too consistently the bookies close your account anyway. You’d probably be better off getting a part-time job. Over the past 50+ years I have tried thousands of systems and tipsters and discarded most without even trying them for real. I am sucker punter, but at least I know it. I have spent and lost a lot of m0ney, but never more than I could afford. I am still looking for the Holy Grail. I have to say that I do understand very little even now, like how is it if you back horse at random you will always lose and if you lay horses at random……….you will always lose. At the last you bet for fun not for profit.

  • tomo999 says:

    thanx jon

  • tomo999 says:

    hi
    does any 1 use follow the fortune
    cheers tomo

  • Peter Look says:

    I have papertraded the LAY THE RATINGS system for nearly 40 days and I made a big loss. For today,30th August, the system made a hefty loss of more than 26 points at Betfair SP.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Tomo and Russ

    The Life System is one of my favourite “waiting for a winner” systems and was created by……(drum roll)…..your webmaster James Fitzmaurice. I trialled the system for James on another review site before BST was born and was how I first met James online, almost three years ago!

    Jon

  • Matt. says:

    Anne

    Thank you for the advice. The US markets are definitely a bonus given the late starts, but I plan also on taking advantage of the European football season now that it is back up and running. Might also hit the US Open since there should be a lot of action there.

    If I can learn how to do this and do it well I may be confident enough to up my stakes, worried about getting greedy though.

    Thanks again for the response!!

    Matt.

  • Paul says:

    Thanks to Tony & Kris for your replies to my query.

    Paul.

  • russ says:

    Tomo,

    I believe the life system is still available, my brother purchased it and used it for quite a while and i can vaguely remember its operation. Its quite fun and simple to use and i think there is an updated sytem with filters etc! I wouldnt mind a little bit of feedback on ‘ the life system’
    Any comments

    Russ

  • tomo999 says:

    hi as any1 heard of the life system and is it still in use
    cheers tomo

  • Sgt Tony Tony Ryan says:

    Paul wrote:

    Has anyone comes across The Each Way Thief? I have read that this is producing big priced winners but no substantial proof. Also it’s charging £1,495 for the service which amazes me. Interested to know is anyone signed up and what the feedback is like.
    Cheers.

    Hi Paul

    I have been using it for a while now and paid £95 for a 12 months subscription – a little cheaper than your price!

    The results are not spectacular but it is making a profit. Email me at [Email removed for Tonys peace of mind] Email admin to be forwarded to Tony for any further details.

    Cheers

    Tony

  • anne says:

    Hi Matt,

    I will try and help you out, off loading to betfair is much a part of GK2 as the system is in my opinion. Of course if your using £2 stakes then to place a £100 bet is highly obvious your up to something as this isn’t your normal betting pattern. I would say just use common sense, some folks on here seem to be having issues with faking losses, I have been doing it for over 2 years and haven’t had a problem, but I do it as a daily thing, if I have a good day I offload to betfair that night, if not then I still place the same style bets and try to get an arb on Betfair where possible, so in the bookies eyes I place horse bets during the day and football/MLB/NBA (depending on the season) at night, this is on a daily basis so it appears to be my usual betting pattern.

    I do use USA sports which can start really late as this gives me time to work out how much I made for the day and how much to offload and what matches or games to use so I guess those who have early starts will not be able to do this, my income comes from betting so I am fortunate to have the time. I don’t let my balance build up then suddenly bet huge amounts. Sometimes you will have a winning bet but this just means you have to do the process again, it is sometimes time consuming but definately worth it.

    I also let my bookie account run dry occasionally and do a new deposit, I also don’t think there are any set amounts that the bookie will ban you at, for some it is £100 stakes for others £40 seems to get them noticed, it depends on how you manage your account and suddenly faking a loss for an unusual high amount will be a red flag to the bookies, you have to think about it and make it look like normal activity, some guys don’t seem to grasp this though. If you opened a new bookie account purely for ABTB or GK2 then do an obvious “fake” bet it will be apparent that you are up to something. Like I said use common sense andyou should be fine. I have never had a problem and don’t see why others do, you just need a lot of patience which most don’t seem to have, also treat this as a business, write down exactly how much is in each account, how much you need to offload and how your going to do it, document everything as this makes things alot easier.

    To sum things up, this does take loads of patience and sometimes time to find the right opportunities, and there maybe easier quicker ways to earn from betting, but everyone suits different things.

    Hope this helps.

  • Matt. says:

    Hi

    I just have a general question for more experienced punters than myself, the BSG, the sarge’s and other BST users:

    Using ABTB and GKM2 is likely to lead to bookie restrictions and closures. Obviously, there are ways around it, faking losses etc., easier said than done IMO, but anyway what I would like an opinion on is:

    At what level will a bookie restrict or close an account? £50 stakes? £10 stakes? Or if you are turning over a consistent profit to £1 stakes are they just as likely to look at you closer?

    Or could it be down to activity? If you’re making dozens of bets a day and turning over nicely, will that influence their decision to restrict you?

    The thought also occurs that if you make £100 profit at a bookie to £2 stakes, then blow it all on one bet applying the ‘fake losses’ technique – you’re not profiting at the bookie, but it must look so suspect to a bookie that you are trading your profits from them on to Betfair?

    At the minute I am using GKM2 to £5 stakes and doing very nicely, but I obviously want that to continue as long as possible.

    Thoughts and opinions appreciated, cheers guys and gals :)

  • tomo999 says:

    hi all
    does any 1 know if u can run more that one bot at a time
    cheers tomo

  • Kris says:

    G’day Paul,
    I can tell you a bit about the ‘Each Way Thief’, I have subscribed to it via ‘The SportsInvestor’, at nowhere near the GBP1495 p.a. The Customer service from Jon is exemplary, and they offer a combined portfolio of their 6 different services, of which ‘The Each Way Thief’ is one, incl. 3 other backing services, one laying service, and one soccer (football) service, all this for GBP49 p.m. As I have been a member with them for some time now, they have offered me these services for a lot less than that. Where one service has an off day, the others seem to pick up any slack, and vice versa. It is not uncommon for the ‘Each Way Thief’ to tip double digit winners, and their soccer service tipped the correct score for Spurs at 4 nil just the other day, at odds of 11/1. Not too shabby, but as is the case with most services, if you backed all their selections at level stakes, I reckon you’d be lucky to break even. Having said that, applying simple mathematics and knowing when to jump on and off the round-about can turn most services into profitable ones. Some of their bets are stronger than others, and again these usually perform better as well. Like I said, it’s knowing when to hold ’em, and when to fold ’em. Believe me, you could do a lot worse that sign up with these guys. They say they have contacts, and their soccer service is doing very well, the above mentioned 11/1 aside.
    Hope this helps.
    Actually, Commish, I just had a thought as to how much of this you would like to let thru’, and I would certainly understand if you edited bits here and there. I will leave up to you, and respect your judgment either way.
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Michael Warden says:

    I am getting bombarded with the following :

    autotrafficavalanche.com from Kieran Gill

    forexshockwave.com from Justin Perez

    forexsas.com from Anthony Phillips

    pipsdominator.com from FX Group

    Anyone had any experience of the above. As far as I know they are all the same person. All the sites look fantastic, but when something looks too good to be true …..

    Any info would be appreciated.

    Finally thanks to the team re arbitragespy.

    Michael Warden

  • Paul says:

    Has anyone comes across The Each Way Thief? I have read that this is producing big priced winners but no substantial proof. Also it’s charging £1,495 for the service which amazes me. Interested to know is anyone signed up and what the feedback is like.
    Cheers.

  • ThomasDeasw says:

    Hello to all betting system truths members,

    This is my very first post here so I just wanted to introduce myself to you all I am here hoping to meet some people with common interest like mines and this seems to be the right place

    I am very happy to be a new member here and hope you all welcome me kindly to your great forum.

  • Site Admin James Brian says:

    Hi Jeff my I ask how you found out abpout All By The Book?

  • jachi says:

    Jeff,
    I’ve been using All By the Book for just over three months. Using £60 the whole time I have made £678 profit. However, despite rounding up stakes and spreading the bets as much as I could I had one account restricted about a month ago. I could still keep the bets pretty well spread but then had a second account restricted yesterday so don’t really see how to on. Oddly, yesterday’s restriction came on an account, perhaps the only one, on which I have lost nearly £200 in 3 months and have had to top up twice, so I am at a bit of a loss to explain this. One mistake I made was to use too many races, going upto at least 1o4% and sometimes 105%. The other thing I have learned is to use Betfair and other non-bookies where possible eg if stake at 10/1 is given as £6 for bookie and a non-bookie has it at 12/1 put the stake on at the 12/1, thus ensuring you avoid bookie bet but still guarantee a profit if it wins.
    If anyone can suggest anyway the I can continue with the system I’d be grateful. I could probably continue a while using fewer bookies, but it would mean fewer bets and a greater likelihood of losing another account.

  • tomo999 says:

    thanx anne
    just been looking seem very interesting thanx alot

  • anne says:

    tomo999

    If you take a look at the passed systems these are the ones that have passed their trial, all system require different amounts of work so take a look and see what suits you. Good Luck.

  • tomo999 says:

    hi all
    new on here sick of trying these systems is there any that really work
    cheers tom

  • blackflag says:

    I would recommend steering clear of Simplex – having been sucked in by the 10p ‘fun’ bets that were suggested on another site. It’s based on doubling stakes but tries to say that’s not too bad as the result you are backing normally is paying more than 3.0.
    I looked at the past results that were provided, and they all included at some point a bet of several thousand pounds, and this is where most of the reported profits come from as well.
    It also went negative funds, sometimes over £1000, about mid-way through the report, just waiting for this super-bet that would save it.
    It’s in no way ‘guaranteed’, and I would suspect anyone saying so of being a shill (especially when they say all you need is a £20,000 bank…as if).

  • MikeL says:

    Jakey/Harry

    Very early days as have only been on Fav. Phen. for about 3 months but it continues to show promise.

    You have to be prepared to walk away some days and stick to the rules which should be made more ‘mandatory’ (ref weather and certain meetings IMO).

    Cheers
    MikeL

  • harry says:

    sorry , i dont mean to be rude or downgrade your efforts, but is anyone actually making money from the passed systems , or any otehr systems for the matter.

  • hammy says:

    donniemac,
    Betting Maximizer is a horse racing lay system, I got a refund after reading the “secret” rules of the system and trying it for 2 weeks. It is hit and miss at best and you will not make any consistant profits with this lame system, sorry !

  • donniemac says:

    Hi All,
    any views on Betting Maximiser, being heavily punted by David Thomson and Phil Rushton???

  • Jeff says:

    Hi how is everybody getting on with all by the book

  • MikeL says:

    Hi Alan

    Thanks for your input. I guess that this issue is the one to overcome. You see a decent arb but the money isn’t immediately on the lay.

    Unfortunately going back for a second bite is a red flag to the bookies….

    Cheers
    MikeL

  • Jakey says:

    Hello All

    I am interested in this Favourites Phenomenon system.

    Is anybody running this and how are you getting on

    Good Luck

    Jakey

  • Danny says:

    SBP is starting to take the p**s. It’s clearly a big marketing exercise that rakes in thousands for the author whether the system is successful or not. MLB v2 was a complete disaster, 80 points down i have read, yet as long as the system sells they are still raking it in at the expense of punters. If the NFL was so successful last year why change it?? There are never any detailed results as part of ‘Rich Allen’s’ service. In fact the previous days results are only mentioned if they won. When I asked for last years MLB results he said they had been lost on his hard drive. How can anyone take a guy like this seriously?

    If you subscribe to any service of his your inbox will be filled with complete rubbish almost daily promoting systems that are known scams on other sites and the amount of spam I have recieved since being a member of SBP is ridiculous. I would advise people to steer well clear of this man and all his alter egos

  • Alan says:

    Hi Mikel,

    My ploy is to adjust my stakes to the current liquidity. I don’t want to leave an amount unmatched in case the nag starts drifting and carries on that way.

    You could always come back a few minutes later and back and lay again if the opportunity still exists.

  • MikeL says:

    Calling JackieG and all arbers please

    When we are laying on BF we are looking for a match with backers so we must concern ourselves with the amount of money under the white tab…correct?

    So if doing an arb for around £100 on each side and say there is only £20 (or some amount much less than £100 on the white button then we are in danger of only a part match which is obviously dangerous.

    Can you experienced guys say that on balance the amounts showing on the white button, if smaller than your stake,…Is there enough liquidity?

    Any advice appreciated.

    Cheers
    MikeL

  • donnie mac says:

    Hi Comm.,
    last post on this not published so I’ll try again!!
    Phil Rushton, David Thompson, both pushing BETTING MAXIMISER. Big hype or Big deal?? Fellow Bloggers, any comments??

  • Alan says:

    Hi Colin,

    I used the Cashmaster system a couple of years ago. I don’t think it will have changed, it is simply a progressive staking plan using a simple calculator. Unless you have access to a stream of winners I don’t recommend it and if you have a stream of winners waiting then you don’t need it.

    Good luck,

    Alan

  • SPECTOR says:

    Sport betting ” professor ” is giving away the NFL system for free.

    And yes…..there is coming a new ” BETTER” VERSION .

    I hope it is better than MLB and HORSE betting systems were!

    And now it is interesting to see what happens with this older system -……
    are we still getting the tips or not?

  • Colin says:

    Just come across Cashmaster System.
    Sounds good, but has anyone purchased,
    and has anyone had dealings with the author Graham Laurie?
    Is he one of the good guys?

  • PB says:

    Re Simplex – you can’t argue with the theory behind it, but you will need balls of steel and a couple of Swiss bank accounts !

  • Colin says:

    Re Simplex – Thanks Jachi
    System not for me. Losing runs of 15 or 16 on Martingale!
    A losing run of 16 (starting with 10p stakes) means a
    17th bet of £6553.60 if you are brave enough to go that far
    This sort of fact should be publicised and the bank required
    rather than just ‘this system makes a profit’.

  • jachi says:

    I know the Simplex system. Its guarantees are watertight and absolutely accurate. You can make thousands starting with only 10p bets. Of course you do have to double up after each losing bet, and you can get losing runs of 15. 16 or more. Havn’t actually worked it out but you probably need a bank of, say £20,000 using 10p so using £2 bets, or even £10 bets which they suggest for those who like to bet a bit more, keep adding noughts to your bank. But they are right, it will win….eventually. I guarantee that too.

  • Doulterioriff says:

    whats up everyone

    great forum lots of lovely people just what i need

    hopefully this is just what im looking for, looks like i have a lot to read.

  • Colin says:

    RE Simplex – I think it is a Martingale system. As such, a large bank is required for losing runs. I have seen Simplex recommended on the internet but interested punters should be made aware of the Martingale angle.

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Donniemac

    Have you been taking something? You know what will happen, don’t you? You join and pays yer money. Maybe get a couple of winning bets and then a string of losers with excuses such as:

    “This is the first time in 400 years of running this service that we have had three losing bets together…”

    “I can’t believe our bad luck! That referee is costing me subscribers…”

    “I have to agree our selections may have seemed bizarre but all our algorithms indicated Blackpool would win 5-0 at Chelsea…”

    Anyway, time to wake up, Donniemac, and re-join the real world!!

    Cheers
    Jon

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Fellow Bloggers.
    can anybody vouch for SIMPLEX TRADING SERVICES. According to U-CAN’T-LOSE, it turned £2 into +£9,000 betting on season 09/10 Premier league football matches. by JANUARY 2010 have all our dreams come true? is it time for all of us to join? Halleluha!!! I’ve seen the light. I’ m beginning to doubt my own sanity, If Ibelieve this!!!

  • JohnBoy says:

    Hi, I purchased L.T.R system a few days ago and started to use it on Monday. Is it me or have I joined during a bad run? There have been plenty of selections however each day I’ve ran into 1 0r 2 losing bets hence not had one day in profit yet.

  • Bryan says:

    I have completed my three day trial with Martin Bishop.Over the three days he gave eleven bets most of them where short priced favorites we had three winners @5/1 and @ 13/8 and @ 11/2 but he inflated these prices in his results.Although I finished the trial with a small profit I don’t see there is value at the prices he charges so will not be signing up.

  • Håkon says:

    I should not have used the word scam without being absolutely sure, I was a bit frustrated… If you have any legal editorial resposibility by letting that comment stand, maybe you should consider editing it…

  • Gordon says:

    Results are still being proofed to James and yes the results were not good for June and July but if as you say Sarting on the 1st April until now you would be over 36 points in profit. Like I have always said this is a long term investment not a get rich quick scheme which so many people believe is out there thank god for James and people like him who are trying to educate those people. If you would a copy of the full since Nov 09 please email me at support@lay-the-ratings.com

    Here is a summary of the results

    Nov 2009 1459 Selections 1196 Losing Lays 81.97% Strike Rate (System A) almost 62 points in profit,

    June 2010 140 Selections 117 Losing Lays 83.57% Strike Rate (System B) Over 9 points in Profit.

    June 2010 202 Selections 166 Losing Lays 82.18% Strike Rate (System C) Over 3 Points in Profit.

  • Håkon says:

    @tony: I have joined Secret Betting Club and I can vouch for it being what it says it is, it is very professional and has a lot of valuable information. They do detailed statistics and analysis of many betting services and have a hall of fame of services that are performing very good, with a elaborate ranking system, well worth a look.

    As for “Martin Bishop Racing”: I think Martin Bishops site is the most vicious scam I’ve seen so far. It’s so well designed to look professional and serious, he has a list of ten reasons why they are best “bar none”, designed in every way to seem like this super-serious transparent amazing profit-machine, with links to facebook-page, phone number, stating members eventually will probably get bookie-accounts closed, everything to attract those that of us that are sick of all the other scams out there… I thought I might had hit gold at first, but of course, when you look at the results blog, you quickly realize that they are completely impossible, and if you take the free 3 day trial, you see that most loosers aren’t posted, but I guess the convincing site gets quite a few people to sign up each month… According to several other posters at SBC he is down over 300 points this year, while he claims to be up over 200. He is charging £150 a month… It would be very nice to get this posted as a scam on this site!

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Jachi,
    I bought the L.T.R. system 5 weeks ago, and have been more than satisfied by returns. There, as you will know, quite a number of selections daily, and I, personally, filter them further, using only 2 or 3 to lay succesfully. But, even without that , and, although I have not kept statistics, it seems to me that it would be relatively easy to earn regularly using this system. It certainly works for me.

  • jachi says:

    I’ve been trying to resist buying any system that I haven’t seen a good, independent review for, so I ‘ve not bought a lot of late. One I did buy was Lay the Ratings which gained a recommendation in April. I’ve just re-read the end report and it states that the author wanted to continue proofing. I wonder if he is still doing so and whether the Commissioner , or anyone else has kept track. I gave up with it when it turned from a laying system into quite a profitable winner finding system horses going down the ratings until they hit a winning mark. Maybe I gave up too soon, tho’ I did see a website which showed it had lost for three months consecutively. Did anyone out there buy it and find it profitable?

    jachi

  • gary says:

    Very well said mike, i totally agree with your comments!!

  • hammy says:

    stuart fish,

    I purchased One-A-Day-Wonder, a backing system.
    When you paid you were sent to a download site or you were emailed with the link to download site. Beware of several upsells, just keep clicking on the main product that you want. If you cannot get to the download site you better email their support … support[@]oneadaywonder.com
    Hope this helps !

  • Bryan says:

    Received an Email this morning from Martin Bishop Racing offering a free three day trial to his service.I looked on the website to see his fees and they seem quite high @ £49 per week and £149 per month etc and these are reduced prices.I have taken the trial even though I do not think 3 days is a fair trial for any service.I just wondered if anybody has heard of this guy or knows anything about this service.
    Good luck to all.

  • Bernard says:

    I paid £99 to attend Brimardon Harrogate offices for a demo in 2003. The fee would be credited back if you went on to buy into their system. It was tempting at the time but I decided against it as I thought there was something amiss. I just didn’t feel confident in their presentation and they failed to answer some questions. I have watched them evolve to where they are now in a marketing sense and the changes to their operation.

    On the plus side I can say they did genuinely give out a 3 day free trial a couple of years ago and I did get MON NOME the G/national winner at 100/1 on that trial. Needless to say, I backed it just a £1 each way.

    I had and have continued to read on other blogs disturbing comments about Brimardon that put me off. I did telephone Harrogate office in January this year and quizzed them on results and how they achieved the claimed profits on their website posing as a new enquirer to see if their claims had changed: Note the following replies from them

    Strike rate on phone bets? 33%

    Average odds? 5/1

    Number of advices usually given on a day? 2

    is it a points based bet system? yes 1 to 10

    what value per point is the advertised profit based on? £100

    do the bets achieve a level stakes profit? yes

    How much to join? special offer £995 3 months on the phone.

    If you wanted software and phone it was very and prohibitively expensive. Also, when you consider a point is £100 your going to be placing a lot of bets at hundreds up to £1,000 a bet for a 10 pointer. This puts the profit shown by them in a different light. It looks good and would be if it were achieved at £100 level stakes. They had no answer as to profit figures at level stakes of £50. (I asked).

    I agree with the Commissioner….avoid like the plague

    On to Martin Bishop: I took the free trial and that went okay (last year) Joined and they did okay for a couple of months.

    You pay your fee and then get a daily email that will contain usually 4 advices. Sometimes a platinum bet included. Rare to get 5 advices but has happened. They advise the number of points to stake on each and whether as a win bet or each way bet. Generally the average points played each day is 13. Sometimes less and rarely more.

    You get days when all 4 lose. Days when 1 wins at evens with 2 points on it and so on. Yes you will get days when you have a 5/1 win with 3 points on and sometimes better wins at 10/1 with a couple of points each way. What you will find is that you need those wins to fund the losses and you can as easily end up 40 points down on the month as be in profit. Overall, I think it is a service best avoided.

    To trial Brimardon would cost a fortune and I will lay odds they will never let a reviewer in.

    To review Bishop is feasible on cost but the results vary so much month to month you would need to have a rolling review. You could only ever give a snapshot on a review as it is a tips service claiming to be based on in effect “inside information” from the owners contacts and not on a system, method or strategy. Not worth reviewing in my opinion. If anyone wants the knowledge that bad then sign on for the free trial and go on from there but cautiously and keep stakes really low per point.

    Cheers,
    Bernard

  • donniemac says:

    Ok Comm.,
    power to your elbow, and thanks for everything you and all who assist you do for our benefit.

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Donniemac, I have thought about charging a membership for this site, but from the outset i really did not want to go down that route. I was going to charge a £9.95 per month for the newsletter or £2.50 per week to cover the outsourcing cost of £225 each month but, at the moment I think I want to keep it free. At the end of the day as the site is growing so is the income we make here. And all money is thrown back into the cause every month. If a time comes where Its costing me to much to run I will probably either let someone else with my passion take over or start charging members say 25 pence per month. We have 5700 members that come to this blog regularly we get almost 3000 unique visitors a day. Im sure we could turn 1000 of the members into 25-50 pence a month to keep the site churning over organically. At the moment the site is managing ok. I won’t do what other sites do and charge a monthly amount. Even though I have nothing against those sites its not my desire to make money from giving this info out.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Comm.,
    I think you can see from the numerous complimentary blogs, that we all appreciate the excellence and VALUE TO US of the efforts which go in to provide that service. I personally would have no difficulty contributing say a £5 monthly towards the costs. I use that figure in the belief that the site has a substantial number of followers. and that such a small amount from many would be acceptable to everyone.

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Brimardon is a scam I got caught up in around 5 years ago. They swiped my savings and a big lesson learnt. Stay away from Brimardon at all costs. The software does not work long-term and they only ever promote their big winners but, what about the hundreds of losing bets? Give this expensive con a very wide birth. I am not the only person who has been burnt by Brimardon. I would like anyone else who has had running’s with Brimardon to step forward. I also heard they are or have been under the watchful eye of authorities recently.

    Review requests…

    Ok so the way the reviewing schedule gets sorted is not that simple. We get requests all the time for this and that to be reviewed. The blog makes around £700 a month from commissions on average. Out of this amount it pays for server costs, design upgrades to improve the user experience, the newsletter gets written by an outsourced writer each month at a cost of £225 (eBook newsletter). We also have to pay for memberships of around half of the stuff we review and also the one time eBook purchases where the authors are not willing to play ball when we want to review stuff.

    A brand new site design is about to be unleashed at a cost of £2500. So although people might look at this site as a money machine. I actually have to keep feeding it to continue, but this is my passion to help stranded punters so more of a hobby and I am always balancing the books if I can.

    So when we get review requests a lot of things have to be considered, price per month or one time payment for an eBook. Do I have enough experienced reviewers to conduct the review fairly? A lot of trust goes into my reviewers here, you can imagine anyone of them could be bunged by system authors to tell an untrue review. So I trust my reviewers completely. It is not an easy task to find dedicated voluntary reviewers that have the same passion as me, to stop the frauds… Yet the site Is attracting the best reviewers in this field. This is why BST has shot to number 1 in the betting system review industry. Another thing we have to consider is how many requests we get for certain reviews. At the end of each month I look at the requests in my excel sheet and I then usually start assigning new reviews to our volunteers and cover the ones that are wanted the most by our readers. So you can see this whole process is carefully planned. We don’t side step products. There are as you can see many factors that go into bringing a review. So many people get turned down each week, that’s the way it has to be. I am sure one day we will have 30+ volunteer reviewers that can be trusted with each one doing 2 or 3 reviews we can start to cover a lot of reviews… until then we will progressively grow uninterrupted.

    Those other products you mention have been added to the review requests sheet.

    Cheers

    The commissioner.

  • Tony says:

    Hello!

    Do someone have any experience about secret betting club and how it´s working? is it good or is it only bull****?

    Regards

    Tony

  • William Hazlehurst says:

    Do you have a comment for ”Lay Maesto” I am thinking of buying it as there are positive feedback about it on line . Your comments please

  • Sgt Thomas says:

    Hi Danny,

    No, I won’t be running 2 sets of results as I haven’t ‘tweaked’ the system, it’s just a different interpretation of a couple of grey areas. Not everyone using the system will get the same results because they’ll make their selections at different times. The author of the system doesn’t study the form until 1 hour before the race, so he will have different results to someone who studies the form the night before. As I said, I’ll continue to study the form the night before and use the Betfair early prices.
    The author stated that the reason he recommends using the Racing Post forecast odds (which isn’t made clear in the eBook) is because “they are the only odds available at the time.” Obviously this isn’t correct as the Betfair odds are available.
    Also, the author has said: Quote: “Your recent successes are merited and the only misunderstanding is the
    forecast bet and actual bet & if Hawaana had been on the actual day then it would have qualified for selction & then have been good to go, but if it had been the night before then it wouldn’t have even reached the first six in the betting.”
    The implication of that statement is that my interpretation of the system’s grey areas brings the actual results closer to what would be achieved if I was studying the form closer to race time.
    I’m not trying to mislead anyone or to ‘tweak’ the system. I started the trial with an interpretation of the system that seemed reasonable to me as there are several ambiguities in the eBook. I’ve tried to make clear to everyone what the ambiguities are, what my interpretation of them is and what the author has said about them. I believe that, as long as I’m clear about those points and I’m consistent with the selection process, there’s no need to run different sets of results. If I were to start doing that, then I may have somebody ask why I don’t runa set of results for the system as it used by the author )i.e. studying form close to race time) and that’s not practical.
    The author has accepted that there is more than one way to use his system and the only point where he disagrees with my interpretation is in my use of Betfair prices rather than Racing Post forecast odds. But, as has been shown, Betfair early prices are a more accurate indicator of the actual odds than the Racing Post forecast and, so far, have proved more successful.

    Sorry for being such a long post, but I need to make it clear to everyone what I’m doing and why and that everyone will get different results depending upon how they use the system.

  • Håkon says:

    Same as Alan! It would be really great with reviews of some of theese bigger, more expensive, serious-looking systems!

  • Alan says:

    I would like to see this site tackle the more renound systems as I am sure alot of the followers of this site would too.

    My initial suggestions are; The Brimardon System, Legacy and Saver system and Martin Bishop tipping service to name a few from the top of my head

    Anyothers people, seriously lets get these usual suspects dealth with before moving onto others.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Bloggers,
    FULL CIRCLE SYSTEM.
    just read some terrible comments following review on this system, which would certainly cause concern to any intending purchaser,

  • Kris says:

    HEAR HEAR MIKE!! Yes, most of us know the value of this site, and as the saying goes, it’s usually just a few bad apples that spoil it for the rest of us. I hear what you are saying, and agree whole-heartedly 100% with all you have said. Thank you for your detailed post. Long Live BST!!
    Hi Stuart, maybe the ‘One Day Wonder’ has already lived up to its’ name?? Just a couple of quick quotes from the sales-page: ‘I will first monitor customer service and price of odds……..’. It would appear there is not much monitoring going on…….., and this doozy: ‘the £490,000 the system extracts from the bookies each year…….’ and all they want is 7.95???? Seriously…….enough said, I’m sure.
    Colin, results are easy to put on paper, as you can paper trade to infinity, as long as you have enough ink in the pen…….in theory it might just work, however as you have not had a reply about getting $2081 matched (sorry, no GBP key), that tells me that the author himself does not lay to that liability, which of course is a bit of a worry in itself — but imagine then what would happen if he sold just a couple of hundred of these systems…..no chance of getting anywhere near that matched!! Almost all system sellers make their money by selling systems, not by following them.
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Colin says:

    I received a free trial offer of Saturday Lays from a guy called Kris in Lancashire. Results sound too good to be true. Towards the end of the comprehensive results the stakes were extremely high due to percentage of bank staking. I emailed Kris asking if it would be possible to get sums as high as £2081 matched on Betfair. So far no reply. Has anybody else come across Saturday Lays. Would appreciate some input on this please.

  • stuart fish says:

    Hi has anyone tried to buy ONE A DAY WONDER? this week 2/8/2010 I have paid money via click bank for the product and have recieved nothing in return, has anyone else had this problem?

  • Mike says:

    This rant, whether it gets posted or not, at least its off my chest. I am not trying to instigate a reaction from anyone. So I understand if it doesn’t get posted or comments are not allowed to be posted in response to it.

    When Betfair Pirate was having a bad run I saw nobody saying it could do the opposite and profit next week, who is to say that will or won’t happen? I read a comment on here today in the recent BP thread and I think these people with the comments they make should not be betting if they don’t understand the risk and also that losing is a massive part of winning.

    Next week the exact opposite of what happened this week could very well happen. That’s because the exact opposite of what happened last month has happened this week. So I believe,,, the product was released with results detailing exactly when punters would fall over. They even went to the trouble of printing a graph and showing at which dips in the graph punters would give up. Now I can understand why BST admin did not allow comments that were being posted on that thread because they were most probably comments posted by very short sighted punters that wanted to harm the program with their undisciplined approach and ruin it for others. Having spoken to James via email I found out that readers were unhappy that James was promoting this without a full 56 – 84 day trial which is the standard on BST. James quite plainly answered, and told me about the crap being discussed on other blogs about him and BST. He also told me he is thinking of hanging up his boots because of all this and this made me angry… I hope he or admin allows me to post his comments…

    “Hi Mike,

    I am a marketer. I market betting systems. Every email I send out with my affiliate link I tell people in that email that my affiliate link is present. The difference between me and the Kevin Schmidts of this world are, I make sure I have months and months of results tested first. I make sure there is a long trial period of at least two months after my initial testing is over. Then I promote if things look good. I only want to give quality products to my list. Why would I want to sell crap. Is this the way to run a business? I own the BST Blog, but myself and BST are separate entities. Just because I promote something doesn’t mean it gets the BST seal of approval. The guys that run the blog will test things that I promote, just like any other product that gets tested. There are 18 reviewers on the BST blog and I am sure if I was making these people post lies and good things about products because I wanted the commissions, all of them would leave. We have volunteers here working the cause because they see the vision and they know it is independent. Any one of them could speak out at anytime if I was acting irresponsibly with reviews. I am seriously thinking about selling BST and moving on, because of the antagonistic behaviour of some blog users.”

    Like I say I hope James or the Admin on here allows this post because I feel it should be shown. I am a massive fan of this blog, I always have been it has saved me so much money I feel I should stick up for it. I also think others who are like me should start sticking up for the BST blog and challenging the people that are wrong about this place. I do not want to see James sell up. It wont be the same place here…

    Anyway back to BP, the program was advertised as a long term investment. So I am interested only in the long term approach. I have been using this since the start of the free trials and I am in good profits now having dipped below recently because of the bad July period.

    Maybe people should show some faith in products that James brings to the table. Ok he is human I expect he could get it wrong at some stage. James for one has saved me over a grand this year alone with the scam warnings. Betting System Truths has also contributed to that. I think people that like to shout their mouths off need to take a step back and understand what’s happening. Do these people deserve a site like BST. NO!

    Reading Libel unjustified stuff about BST and James online recently has made me think what a disgraceful bunch of people we have in our world. Some even say they will boycott the blog yet they seem to be still hanging around, unless it is just coincidence they use the same usernames elsewhere to put the site down. This truly is the best blog on the net! Lets club together and keep it this way. I have also posted this comment on the welcome page as to not interfere with the BPirate comment section.

    Please admin let this post be posted, I am not attacking any individual on the blog so I am sure this is not breaking the terms of use policy on the site.

    Cheers Mike Wilson

  • Bernard says:

    TUESDAY 3rd AUGUST

    Hi All,

    Selection: POWERFUL PIERRE 17.00 CATTERICK

    Disqualified as too big odds to lay (over BF7.00)

    RESULT for info only: 3rd

    Cheers,
    Bernard

  • Mike says:

    Hi Hammy

    BM is almost certainly a ploy to ‘hoover’ your hard earned.

    The only way a system can prove it has an edge is stats, stats, and more stats. It will take many hundreds, possible thousands of bets for the probability thing to be played out.

    All the best
    MikeL

  • JOHN TATUM says:

    I wonder if anyone has had this in the post a guaranteed to win system called Automatic Betfair Profit System on a cd rom which is asking for £147 then a futher £190 will be required to start also have only 27 copies left as I have a feeling that this is a scam if so can you check this out some time also warn others if its a scam

  • hammy says:

    Thanks for the reply Ian,
    Funny thing is that Betting Maximizer has been working well, 8 successful lays and only 1 loser, but it’s early days !

  • Lucas says:

    Hello,

    Thanks guys for a great review of All-By-The-Book, I’m making good money with this system. Testing GKM2 with good results, but in my opinion to make profit it takes too much time and we need big bankroll. Im using The Badger’s service and bettingprotrades service. They are good.
    I want to add something to my portfolio. I’m sure you heard about PlusLineSport, what’s your opinion about this service? I’m looking for a service with big amount of games every day and yield around 10%.
    May be you can suggest me something?

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Donnie, Dream Lays isnt due to start until tomorrow, other than that i am confused by your question.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Comm.,
    would appreciate a response to my query of 29th inst. ref. Services/Systems on trial.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Comm.,
    Services/Systems on trial.
    is it possible to access any info., regarding progress of the trial. I am particularly interested in the performance of DREAM LAYS.
    Thankyou.

  • IAN says:

    STAY WELL AWAY FROM BETTING MAXIMIZER ITS THE SAME PEOPLE SELLING MORE RUBBISH WEEK AFTER WEEK

  • hammy says:

    Has anyone heard of Betting Maximizer ? It’s a horse racing betting system. I think it’s a lay system for both flat and jumping races in the UK. It looked interesting but would like to know if anyone has experience with it, thanks !

  • MikeL says:

    FWIW here are my FP stats etc….

    Not using the bot I started on 19th May 2010 with £5 stakes.

    45 days of placing bets (no losing days) and slowly ratcheting up my bets are now nearly £13.

    Yes I think I’ve got lucky with missing a losing day due to the j-o-b.

    Will it continue? Who knows? Probability is such a weird thing and there is bound to be correction soon (ssshhhh!!)

    Cheers
    MikeL

  • Sgt Dave says:

    Hi All
    Well i have been using the FP Bot since i ended the review at the end of May, i have had 43 betting days resulting in 41 winning days and 2 losing days. Did i go broke on the losing days No the losses were 3.28 points and 4.82 points the overall profit for the 43 days was 33 points. So in nearly 5 months using the Level 1 setting the system has had 105 days of Betting of which 100 days were winning ones overall the system made 74.79 points that is near enough 15 points a month, and not betting everyday. I had my Bot to back 5 seconds before the off and adjusted some of the other safeguard features. This is why it passed my review and i recommended it, all the above can be proved because the FP Bot keeps records of the days betting.

    Regards
    Sgt Dave

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Lee have emailed you about reviewing place profits can you let me know the score mate cheers. admin@bettingsystemtruths.com

  • Lee O Hare says:

    Reply to lisa who posted below:

    My view of this system is that you really could lose your shirt, a huge bank would be required if you were to have long losing run like i had when I used it for 2 weeks. 2 weeks is not long but it was enough for me to use it and be worried how much I was using. I have seen some people recommend it, but I would not put any of my clients on to it.
    Cheers Lee

    Lisa
    July 26, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    Hi,I would like to know if Matt is replying to anybodys emails.What do you have to do to get a reply.I just dont understand that I want to subscribe to Favourites Phenonemen. And he does not have the courtesy to reply? Cheers.Lisa.

  • MikeL says:

    Hi Rob

    Your cautionary tale graphically illustrates the risk we take when setting out to invest our hard earned in high gain/high risk ventures. Sorry to hear of your experience and hope you recover well.

    I would say any system which has loss recovery at its heart has to be commenced at the lowest staking level (possibly even £2.00) and build slowly from there. |This way you can soon be playing with the other guy’s money, having restricted/controlled any personal loss potential

    FP has a sensible loss limit and the odds are very much in our favour of coming out on top if the rules are adhered to.

    I would recommend starting at level 1 and add patience galore..Be prepared for FP to be a slow journey.

    I know it was probably Murphy, but when Sgt Dave trialled for us..it was level 1 which came out best.

    All the best
    MikeL

  • Rob says:

    Hi Lisa

    i tried FP from Matt but only for a short time as I lost too much money. The system gives you option of which level you wish to go for – 1,2,3 as a newby and testing the water before I threw myself in I was caugt out a number of times trying level 1 which is the lowest but had I had gone for the higher level I would have won. I believe it is a good system but when you loose and you will sooner later it really hurts and if you get acouple or even more close together it can easily clear your bank but fortunately this is not common particularly at the higher levels.
    I found Matt helpful and responded to the few emails I sent him quickly.
    Apart from being cautious should you go for the system you MUST follow Matts instructions to the letter – or you will definitely fail

    Rob

  • Alan says:

    Tony, just for the benefit of any others who are considering subscribing to surewins.com, today we had our 9th losing bet in a row.

    Apparently according to their e-mail this is their worst ever July and if it ends up as a losing month we will get a free months subscription.

    Getting expensive to follow but two or three winning bets close together can turn the whole thing round. I have to keep the faith as I have paid for a year up front.

  • Neil says:

    Hi Tadge/Pekka

    I’ve just become a subscriber to fromthestables.com – the info provided seems pretty good – as they review all horses, not everything should be backed. Today had strong info from William Knight on Bloodsweatandtears (won) whilst Reg Hollinshead thought Interchoice Star had every chance of making the frame (2nd at 16s). Knight also thought Cool Kitten might return to form … but finished 5th of 11.

    Will keep you posted.

    Neil

  • Scotty says:

    Hi Lisa,

    If it’s pre-purchase queries that’s of concern, I posted most of mine up on Sgt Dave’s FP blog during the trial. You could try the same under the ‘FP final review’…
    Sgt Dave, MikeL and myself, all started using FP back in the Spring within a few weeks of each other, so between us we may well be able to help?

  • MikeL says:

    Hi Lisa

    My experience is similar. I have found that Matt will either be very quick to reply or possibly leaving you with the thought if you will ever get one!

    On the plus side FP appears to be excellent and very sound. I think I can say you will not be disappointed if you decide to purchase.

    All the best
    MikeL

  • Lisa says:

    Hi,I would like to know if Matt is replying to anybodys emails.What do you have to do to get a reply.I just dont understand that I want to subscribe to Favourites Phenonemen. And he does not have the courtesy to reply? Cheers.Lisa.

  • Tony says:

    Hello, If it stays place like treble I place 3 units and if double 2 units. Maybe I do something wrong? 😀 Is here any forum that I can start a threat?
    But we got a mail from them that they have 8 loss a row so I got to do something wrong then 😛

    And maybe Kris should calm down and take a whiskey, I dont have time to sit behind the pc 24/7 so sorry If I didnt answer so quickly as u want.

  • Kris says:

    Hi Alan,
    sorry to be a party-pooper, but something tells me that we may not be hearing from Tony, although I could be wrong. His response to your question re. surewins.com sounded just a bit too forward for me, if you know what I mean………..
    Rgds,
    kris

  • Alan says:

    Tony, are you betting these as doubles or trebles as suggested or treating them as singles ?

    I am following suggested placing of bets and have 5 losing bets in a row this week.

    Cheers,

    Alan

  • John says:

    Any idea when software for Frontline Form Reading Software be made available again

  • Kris says:

    Hi Tony,
    what is your affiliation with surewins.com?? You appear to be pushing this stronger than Martin Luther King pushed his dream……
    Regards,
    Kris

  • Tony says:

    Alan, since 11 july I have now 12 wins and 6 losses.

  • Tony says:

    Alan, 4 wins only? since 11 july I had 10 wins and 6 losses.

  • Alan says:

    Hi Tony, I joined on the 23rd June. So far 15 bets, 4 wins 11 lost. Breakeven on points as they tend to go for doubles and trebles which pay out well when they come off. This was strongly recommended by Graham Laurie at Cashmaster so I took the plunge.

    I think it will be ok long term.

    Cheers,

    Alan

  • Tony says:

    Hello!
    Does anyone have experience about surewins.com service?
    They have nice results in their homepage

  • andy says:

    hi all,
    does anyone have experience of a new service insiderbettingtips.com?
    the website doesnt say if its a backing or laying system

  • Jo says:

    Hi
    I believe that Dream Lays are the same people behind Itslaytime and also Free Profits. Itslaytime used to be one of the best services and I made good profits with their service. They stopped in Dec and recently relaunched but the new service lost me a lot. I would say proceed with caution! You can check out all of their results but be warned you need a big bank.
    Jo

  • MikeL says:

    Hi John

    Please don’t take this the wrong way (and I am 100% for freedom of choice)…but wouldn’t it be more wise to go for one of the products which is definitely making money for the guys/gals on this site?

    There have been some exhaustive trials done to give us all the best shot ;o)

    cheers
    MikeL

  • John says:

    I am just going to tryLay Profit Hunter,with Agora

  • Pekka says:

    tadge…..From the stables is a good service, I did try it and the results are ok!
    Sometimes very big odds , ….sometimes it goes days without any tips.
    And I think when the trainer says avoid betting on this horse (favorite) it is a good tip! :-)

  • Paul says:

    Thanks Dave Much appreciated.

    Paul

  • donniemac says:

    any views on U-CAN’T-LOSE arbitage results?

  • tadge says:

    Hi all,

    Anyone tried “From the Stables” a tipster service who posts direct tips from trainers on how they think their horses will run. I have read some good things on blogs etc about this service and it is priced at 50 pounds a month.

    Cheers,

    Fraser.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Bloggers,
    Anybody vouch for the claims of DREAMLAYS.com.,

  • Daveyboy says:

    Andy, Paul,

    Format racing system DOES NOT WORK.

    I have tried it – the maths are fatally flawed.

    Daveyboy.

  • Pekka says:

    Odds On Profits.
    Rubbish….absolutely!

    Very low odds,down to 1.20.
    They use a recovery system(is this the right word ?) where you bet moore after a losing bet .
    And because the odds are so low you must bet big money to cover the loosing bet.

    Maybe this is a winning system , I dont know….but only if you have a lot of money and nerves of steele!

  • Bernard says:

    Stephen,

    If the non runner happens after you have placed the bets for the race then it’s too late to leave it alone. If a non runner happens prior to betting, then providing the market has reformed and you can get the prices/percentage overall for the ABTB strategy, go ahead and play the race.

    Cheers,
    Bernard

  • andy says:

    the format racing method: anyone any expereince of this?

  • Paul says:

    Hi all, been looking in and reading posts every day for months now. Keep up the good work. I just got an E-Mail about Forat Racing. Have seen these before but I am well ‘off’ anything that I cant verify after being stung for £5K by a very good sales pitch. Had a look on the site but cant find anything on these. Has anyone had anything to do with them?
    Cheers….. Paul

  • Stephen says:

    Hi BST bloggers – can someone help me – i,m confused !
    Im using the All by the Book systen with some success – however what are the rules with regard to ‘non runners’ ?
    Should races with non runners be left alone because of the reduction factor ?

    Cheers for any help

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    H Martin it comes with no guarantee so the bst thing to do is ask as many questions as you can to Steve and if it doesnt seem right for you then dont purchase. The problem is you ar ebuying information that cannot be returned once acquired and this is not clickbank unfortunately.

  • Martin says:

    Hi all. I’ve just read Sgt. Dave’s final, favourable review of “All By The Book”. It sounds fine, but I seem to recall someone mentioning Excel spreadsheets in connection with this method, and as I don’t have Excel – and don’t especially want it – I need to ask: is the use of spreadsheets essential in order to use ABTB properly, or can you get by without them?

    A further point is: does ABTB come with some sort of money-back guarantee? I don’t intend “doing the dirty” on anyone, but equally I don’t want to be landed with an expensive purchase I might regret having bought.

    Hope to hear from someone – thanks in advance!

  • Kris says:

    Hi Brian,
    I think you might have done well in not clicking the PayPal button. Here is a link you might find of interest re.: Soccer Betting Ace.
    As is usually the case, ‘All that glitters is not Gold’.

    onlineracingreview.com/soccer-betting-ace.htm

    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Brian says:

    Hi James,

    I have been getting mail from Soccer Betting Ace
    ‘Joe’ Had a look at the sales and it seems too good
    to be true.

    I almost took the bait but after hovering over the
    PayPal pay button, I stopped.

    You or anyone here have any thoughts,please.

    Regards,

    Brian

  • Kris says:

    yes Jon, she is easy on the eye — but what are your thoughts on the service?? Sorry for the distraction. The question of course: Is she a distraction for the service, OR, is the service a distraction for her??
    I already know what James would say, but what about you Jon??
    Regards,
    Kris

  • Sgt Jon Jon says:

    Hi Kris

    Just taken a look at Odds On Profit….worth it just to look at the blonde!!

    Cheers
    Jon

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Kris, thanks for posting.

    David has been in touch and is now working on his final summary of ABTB. I will let David tell you the rest…

    I have asked him to be as detailed as possible in his final review but, i know he was going to anyway. Plus also I think someone mentioned the other day that we can make our bookies accounts look like losing ones by trading them off with betfair. Can this be done? If so I think we are all onto a definate winner. And I need soemone to come on here and explain that part.

  • Kris says:

    Hi Commish/Sergeants/Constables,
    is anyone able to shed any light on a service called ‘Oddsonprofits.com’?? Of course it looks impressive, as they all do, but are there any blog-heads out there who might be able to shed some light on what it is REALLY like?? It is certainly not the cheapest service out there, at GBP 55 per month — but if you pre-pay for 12 months, it works out to be a much more palatable 27.50 p.m.
    It has a smooth looking ‘Andrew Cannon’ on the site, with an even smoother looking Blonde getting out of a fancy car………(Yes, James, I can hear you already — ‘have I taught you nothing’?!?!…….). Thought I would ask, as I have a tendency to believe that a good service should out-perform a good system.
    Any information would be greatly appreciated.
    P.S.: James, do you know how Sgt. Dave is doing?? If you are in touch with him, could you please pass on our best to him.
    Many thanks,
    Kris

  • Bill Gibson says:

    Thanks very much James, until I see your reviews I’ll keep an open mind about TFQ
    Good Luck James

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Betfair ATM was never reviewed because it would take simply to much time for any of our reviewers to use. I am told it is a very useful service and the guy at cashmaster reviewed it and automated the review so that he didnt have to sit around all day. But thats what it entails. So if you are time poor probably best giving it a miss. If you sit in front of the computer all day wondering how to make money I am told it is an effective tool.

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Bill I do not endorse any program unless it has passed an 84 day review. Even then I have a level of concern. I do not have an opinion on the Tax Fre Quid people or service. All I can say is they have been helpful in providing Brendan with free service so that we can review them. We are currently reviewing their Pointer Software here http://www.bettingsystemtruths.com/?s=%22tax+free+quid%22

  • Bill Gibson says:

    Good Morning
    A message for James. I am being plagued with dozens of emails from TFQ (Tax Free Quid) who I can’t get rid of as they don’t have an unsubscribe facility.
    They are really pushing their soccer-tips.co.uk and show fantastic results but when I asked where they proofed I got no answer. I then quoted Betting System Truths to them and the answer I got was “You should see how well James thinks of our service” Yet I can’t see any reference to them in your records or blogs.
    I would be grateful if you could let me know if they are a genuine outfit.
    Kind regards to all and keep up the good work as it is well appreciated.
    Bill

  • russ thomas says:

    Hi james,

    If its no trouble i wouldnt mind some info on atm as have been considering purchasing, it was going to be reviewed on here but got cancelled ! (russthomas02@aol.com)
    Many thanks

  • Brian says:

    Hi Guys
    Great site only found you Saturday…
    Can you advise me on a couple of things
    Is a guy called Ian Burrows trustworthy or is he a dodgy geezer
    Also he and others a peddling a “Andrew Cannon’s NEW Odds On Profits Investment Club.” with amazing results… have you investigated this system / Guy does he and it pass the test
    Any advice would be great
    Regards
    Brian

  • Jackie G says:

    Hi James
    My email if allowed is dynomite9er @ googlemail.com [remove the spaces]

    Thanks

    Jackie

  • John says:

    I have bought the Sportsbetswinner.I have just got my money back.Another load of rubbish.
    John

  • James says:

    Hi Jackie G,

    Re BetfairATM. If you’d care to give your email address [that’s assuming it’s permitted on here], then I’d be pleased to send you information regarding this method.

  • Bernard says:

    Hi all,

    Please note that ongoing posts/results can be viewed by clicking on the FL link under HOT SOFTWARE heading near the top right hand side of this page.

  • Mike says:

    Thanks Bernard all very much appreciated.

    I think the point is that although I want to believe the product is excellent and that it can progress my betting experience I need to see that it can make me money pretty much immediately (with the ongoing subs having to be covered)

    Hopefully the free lay system combined with it will do the job and give us the opportunity to enjoy all the other benefits of having this software along the learning curve.

    Thanks again
    Mike

  • Mike says:

    Thanks Comm. and Bernard….I really think this is what we (I) need to judge this package.

    Cheers
    Mike

  • Bernard says:

    I will be happy post results daily.

    Cheers,
    Bernard

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Peter Bernard..

    It does seem to be doing well at the moment. Lets see what the results are like after a few months. If your willing to you can continue to post your results as a sergeant on the blog pelase let me know?

  • Bernard says:

    Using the dark horse settings. Stick to it rigidly. No keying once settings input. Only addition is to ensure that each of the front three (sometimes 4) in the betting forecast as provided by FL ratings have all had at least a minimum of 8 race starts in their career to date (if not then discard the race). This is “pinched” from the rules in the free giveaway FL lay “manual” system. For the record: today (Sunday) there were 3 selections highlighted on this basis. The last of these being the hot favourite Spate River 6/4 in the delayed 5 p.m. Stratford. RESULT: has run a poor 6th. So that is now a total of 24 selections and the 100% strike rate remains intact for another day. Unbelievably fantastic. Cheers, Bernard

  • Jackie G says:

    Has anybody looked at Betfair ATM from Steve Davidson.
    His ABTB and GKM2 are ok but i would like a method solely for betfair and not the bookies.

  • Mike says:

    Hi Bernard

    Thanks for your post on Fl software…congrats on the success.

    Are you using the free lay system in the Fl to produce your 100%?

    Is it easy to use…also is there a lot of keying to do?

    Any other feedback/info would be great from members using Fl…thanks.

    I would still like to still to see the Fl combined with the lay/ backs system on a full trial…could be on a Jack Jones though ;o)

    Cheers
    Mike

  • Kris says:

    yep, got it back now, thanks James

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Kris it is back not sure why it had but it malfunctioned. sorted now.

  • pugwash says:

    Jurys still out as far as Im concerned with FL software. The first few weeks have been peppered with horses missing from racecards. Which begs the question how was this not spotted during testing?
    Cant even get into the software today.
    on the plus side Ross replies very quickly to any issues you raise

  • Kris says:

    Hey Commish,
    is it my lappie, or has the ‘latest comments’ section on the right hand side disappeared from your site?? I found this to be a great time-saving tool, as I just don’t have the spare time to go thru’ all the links to get to the latest posts made by fellow-bloggers……where can I sign a petition to bring it back??
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    I obviously 110% agree with you it is excellent tool.

  • Bernard says:

    The Fl software is a superb form tool. As for the lays….from June 28th to July 10th I have had 21 selections in total from the FL selections section matching the input lay criteria. (2 days no selections). 2 of the 21 selections were too big a price at race time (over 6.00). Heres the rub: Every single one of the selections has LOST their race for a 100% strike rate. Long may it continue.

  • Gary says:

    Brimardon I spent thousands on and were dreadful, Betfair Killer is a scam product!

  • Paul B. says:

    Good morning guys.
    I prefer the simplicity of Betfair, and only use that (although I am looking at other exchanges for comparison), and you’re never going to need to worry about the website limiting your bet amounts.
    On another note… anyone heard of a system called Betfair Killer ? It seems ideal for my needs, but is it any good, and should I splash out on it ? The link for it is; betfairkiller.com
    Cheers,
    Paul.

  • John says:

    Has anyone used the Brimardon System,are they as good as they say
    John

  • danny pattaya says:

    if you want to start saving your accounts the best way to do it is keep them at break even and the best way to do that is back as many big odds on as you can then lay it on betfair as the price will be near on the same, when u try backing and laying above even money your will not get near the bookies price and you will also have to pay your coms on betfair which if your not a regular big punter will be between 4-5 % and over the long run will cost u a lot of money !!

  • russ thomas says:

    Hi Donnie

    Yes , but what im getting at is deliberately losing from time to time and thus reducing the profit at th bookies so that they dont restrict the account for example abtb so it looks to them that they are making money from us, if you get my meaning, back a bad fav/2nd fav for 100 and lay the same horse on betfair to retrieve (most) of your stake back

    Cheers

    Russ

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Russ,
    what you do at Betfair has no impact at the Bookie’s. I think it was u-can’t-lose who recently showed exactly how to bet and lay to take advantage of free bets. quite staightforward and a little clever.

  • russ thomas says:

    Hi all,

    Excellent site, been following for months with some great reading ! Regarding bookmakers accounts, someone posted a thread which mentioned deliberately losing the money in the bookies account whilst gaining it back via betfair !! I think this is a great idea !! Not sure if this would be possible, but does anyone know if it is possible to actually speak to those in charge of the accounts at the bookmakers, let them know our intention of ‘deliberately losing’ and thus having to deposit more funds so long as they keep our accounts open !!

    If life would be so easy eh

    Russ Thomas

    Ps, talking about life, life system that is, has a live trial been done of this !

  • Christopher says:

    One a day wonder has popped up again, anyone tried it yet?

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Comm.,
    do you have any plans to trial Lay bet genius? or have any Constables tested their wonderfully outrageous claims.

  • Mike says:

    Hi Gullsfan

    I don’t know about Racing Synergy (maybe due for a trial?) but yes, keeping bookies on side is well documented in the ABTB thread.

    Generally the best advice is to go to a max of £50 per race and use rounding when placing the bets….Still playing after a couple of months or more with ABTB……Hope it continues.

    All the best
    Mike

  • Kris says:

    Hi gullsfan,
    yes, unfortunately you are correct, bookies will restrict your account pretty quickly if they suspect you are taking more from them than you are giving back, at a constant level. They are like Health Insurance companies, who do not like to insure sick people. I guess it’s a business, but they seem to want to have their cake and eat it too. Alan’s idea is a good one, and goes some way towards making life a bit more difficult for the ‘enemy’ shutting us out; probably more geared to a quicker selection method. But I love the ideas that get peddled around on this blog, after all it is ‘us vs. them’.
    Gullsfan — is this Terence Larcombe by any chance, from V2 Lays fame??
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Alan says:

    Hi guillsfan,

    This is indeed bad news. I am using ABTB and started off with a tiny bank of only £204 spread amongst about 12 bookies about five weeks ago. (I also had a back up float in the bank of £250)

    My daily wager started at £20 per race and has now increased to £35 per race and my bookie bank now stands at just over £400. Brilliant growth but the daily winnings are small sometimes and I want to build up to £100 per race but in view of what you are saying I think I had better stop when I can wager £50 per race which isn’t too far way.

    There is an alternative of course which is to open bookie accounts in a partners name and split all the bets two ways. Trouble is in the case of ABTB this would significantly increase the amount of time taken in getting the bets on.

    Donniemac, it does take time each day but this has been mentioned several times on this site but it is very rewarding to take money back off the bookies. Give it a go for small stakes and watch your bank grow. Have patience and watch those little acorns grow.

    Good luck

  • gullsfan says:

    Someone asked a question about the racing synergy software – it is an absolutely brilliant bit of kit, and when you start using it, it is a licence to print money.
    There is however one major problem (and this is also applicable to ABTB to a lesser extent)
    As you are betting above the value price so to speak – bookmakers will limit any winning accounts and will do so very quickly – they will not close your account but if you want say a £50 bet you will get offered something in the region of £1 (or less).
    Believe me they ALL do this. After using racing synergy for less than a week the likes of Skybet,Boylesports were offering derisory amounts on bets. A fortnight into my first months subscription Bet 365 and Ladbrokes were restricting my bets to practically zero. So basically in the long run you cannot beat the book even if you do have a winning idea like ABTB/Synergy.
    If anyone wants me to prove how quickly it is to get the bookies to restrict your accounts then I am more than happy to prove it – it might actually be an interesting experiment for a site like this.

  • Sgt Dave says:

    Hi Donniemac
    This Sgt Dave i am the one who is reviewing ABTB if you have been following my daily reviews you will have seen many many comments posted about the betting bank required and amount of time required from the bloggers and i have always answered the comments openly and truthfully. If you are not of sure of anything you can always post a comment or even e-mail the Commissioner and he will pass it onto me or who ever is conducting a review, i have helped several people like this.
    Now i cannot put in my reviews not suitable for Pensioners etc because that would be classed as discrimination and i would have alot of angry folks after me. Now as The Commissioner and Mike both have said this method truly does work, and you can start with small stakes. Now i am working on a spreadsheet for ABTB which will break it down into sections, hopefully i will see which areas are the most profitable, now i cannot share all this information in my final review because i do not want to give the method away.But i am more than happy to share it with you and see if we can find a niche to get you started. Hope this will be of some help to you it will take several days to complete unfortunately my original worksheet done a disappearing act from my pc.

    Regards
    Sgt Dave

  • Mike says:

    Hi Donnie

    Hope you can come to terms with ABTB as it is the only betting system I know of (apart from one other here) with next to no risk on our valuable capital.

    Believe me I am on level 10 when it comes to scepticism, but ABTB will make you money if stick with it.

    Yes this is a very long thread (usually a good sign) and all the the info is here on all aspects of ABTB.

    Sgt Dave’s review was very thorough.

    My advice fwiw…stick with it as your capital is not at any great risk.

    All the best
    Mike

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Comm.,
    your publication in full of my comment, together with your immediate response speaks volumes for the integrity of your site, thankyou. Any advice would be welcomed in an endeavour to get started.

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Donnie, first of all I am not actually reviewing the product but I will take some blame for anything portrayed here, of course I am the site owner. Steve who sells the method is very good and Im sure will help you but there is also many people on here that would help you to. The majority of people are happy to start at very low stakes and build up beause the method can be used by everyone big or small punters and it makes money simple as that.

    Anyone with any help for Donnie it would be greatly appreciated. I would hate for someone to buy it as he has done and not be able to see the benefits of it.

  • donniemac says:

    Hi Comm.
    last week I bought ABTB, AND AM HUGELY DISAPPOINTED.
    Your reviews, on which I based my decision, failed to point out the significant downsides of this system, notably the size of Bank required to service 12 Bookmaker accounts and the enormous amount of time and effort required before being able to complete a bet. I would love some feedback through your columns from other subscribers, plus an explanation why these “features” didn’t register with your reviewer. THE SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY UNSUITABLE FOR ME, A PENSIONER LIVING ON £200 WEEKLY.
    T o compound the felony, the bold Steve today extols the simplistic attributes of Betfair Pirate, and suggests subscribing as a good idea. Pity he hadn’t thought of that last week!!

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Its a scam.

  • ALan says:

    Have you read about ‘Betting Unleashed” system ?I wish to purchased but dunno is it scam or not?Pls advice

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Ian theres a few things off the mark with your comments.

    1) The popup only pops up once per hour.

    2)If someone fills out the form, they are getting something worthwhile and in the process giving double opt in permission to receive emails from me which is not classed as SPAM. People can unsubscribe from this at any time.

    3) I cant vouch for other list owners but i know my list is not spam. I pay a lot of money to have the list company protect me and my users.

    4) Frontline software is a fantastic form reading tool and yes BST has sent an email campaign out regarding it. Users of it will agree when they get to grips with it how powerful it is. (please note I have not commented about the systems that are preloaded into it)

    Welcome back Ian

  • Ian says:

    Hello,
    Been away for a bit and have noticed the “mini scam course” pop up that appears every time I open this website.
    Other websites have similar, but if you let them have your email, then they bombard you with promotions..
    I have seen the comments ref “Frontline” but I have received no promotions at all, but then again I haven’t replied to the pop up, so putting 2 + 2 together, is it only people that have filled in the “mini scam course” and have given their email address, that are receiving the Frontline spam?

  • Mike says:

    Hi Comm.

    I hope I don’t have the wrong end of the stick but my thinking was this….

    There was a detailed video on the free lay process which apparently can be incorporated into the FL software to save all the hard work/time.

    As an example for a trial I thought that if this particular lay criteria was used in the software it could give double benefit.

    It would show the genuine profitability of the lay selections produced in the real/live market.

    It would also show the efficiency of the software.

    It is not for me to doubt the hard work which must have gone into what looks like an amazing product but bottom line is if it can be proven that the ongoing subs is a fantastic investment…this would be brilliant.

    I know there is far more to the FL software than this however if novices like me could get straight into making money and learning about its many features as we go…that would be fantastic!

    If the back criteria could be used for a similar test, so much the better.

    All the best
    Mike

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Ok but Im at a loss to which systems to trial because the product is the software not the systems that were thrown in? Any ideas?

  • Mike says:

    Hi Comm. James

    Yes I can understand that. I don’t think the results have been proofed anywhere so I thought that if the software could be seen to generate good profits for backs and lays in the normal rigorous trial it would be a good thing for us all and the product.

    All the best
    Mike

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    Hi Mike I dont really see the need to test the methods they gave away for free with the software? The actual software is the product… Any more opinions?

  • Mike says:

    Hi Comm and Sarges.

    Will there be a trial/review on BST’s for using the FrontLine Software? I know everyone is mega busy, however it would be great to see it’s selections for backs and lays treated in the normal review fashion (for hopefully profit)

    Many thanks
    Mike

  • Simon says:

    Christopher – without any ado, Lay a day Wonder is a load of rubbish.

  • james says:

    hi has anyone got any info on another whitehall racing product advertised by surewin racing. the payback method alleged 87% strike rate backing 2 horses in a race.
    RECENT RESULTS:

    RACES PLAYED – 39
    WINNING RACES – 34
    STRIKE RATE – 87%
    PROFIT – 35.86 POINTS

    Maybe a good question would be has there been any 84 day reviews on surewin products or has anyone had a successful one from them.

  • james says:

    hi i have recieved an email regarding the permanent income plan from surewin racing. £75 for the system or £20 1st month then £40 a month for the tips.
    is this one going to be reviewed?
    or has anyone bought this and recommend to buy or avoid

  • Mike says:

    Hi Frankie

    Grey Horse Bot seems to get mentioned most places but I have no experience of it.

  • Frankie says:

    Has anyone heard of Brian Almeroth of Ultimate Gambling System? I have been running his SuperBot product for about a year. It is protected by Software Defender and he has obviously not paid his subscription as it no longer works. Brian is not contactable. Does anyone else know of a good Bot for Betfair? If this the forum to address this?

    New boy on this site.

    Frankie.

  • KeithGriffiths says:

    Scam Busters Please

  • Sean says:

    Hi folks – what an amazing site! Loads of money to be saved by reading the thorough reviews provided by you all. I’m really keen to get on board and help out where I can. Apologies if I’ve not taken the right approach with this but here’s my first contribution…

    1) I cannot find a review here of Lawrence Taylor’s Laying to Win – Soccer System Secrets. I bought it last year as he provides over 10 years’ worth of free, comprehensive, “verifiable” results before you buy. I back tested it with a program I wrote and it worked fantastically, but as soon as I started to use it at the beginning of this season, it took some horrible losses in quick succession. My real interest for this is in whether the Betfair odds listed in his results are accurate (mine always seemed steeper) – any comments anyone? He also has a Horse System Secrets but I’ve not used it since I cannot acquire the necessary source data to verify it myself.

    2) Has anyone used Lay2Lose – an autobot for laying DailyDonkey picks? I’ve tried the free 3-day trial with results agreeing in the majority with DailyDonkey. DailyDonkey, again, has some fantastic (staggering?!) results but, again, my Betfair lay odds seem to be marginally, though consistently, steeper than the SP, which is what DailyDonkey proofs to.

    3) SportsBettingChamp – I still cannot work this one out. I bought it a few years ago and made over £3k within 5 months from £1k starting bank. I promptly lost it all in the space of a single bad week, though he claimed these were winners or unfair so put it to his subscribers to choose how to represent this to newcomers. Needless to say, the “official” claim is no losses in e.g. 200 series bets! Anyone had similar experience? If you check out his sales page, you’ll see some outrageous testimonials from some high-profile characters and some fairly original “proof”. Also, the line you need to take at specific bookies that he recommends is actually tougher to those following the system, implying the bookies do suffer from it… puzzled by this one!

    Hope I’ve not annoyed anyone with this long post and that you all receive it as constructive information.

    To all your success – you deserve it!

  • Christopher says:

    One a day Wonder, Anyone know of this betting system?
    I got e mails for this from somebody calling himself
    Daytime Tipster.

  • james says:

    hi has anyone used racing synergy bettingautomation.com i have recieved quite a few emails regarding this and it sounds promising

  • anthony walton says:

    Hi, Do you know anything about a system called betfair bandit sold by a Steve Davidson from Australia.. Thanks

  • dean says:

    have u run any scam tests on martin raymond. he had agood strike rate in jan feb then shut down, hes now back as newmarket racing. is strike rate is now appaling in what is supposed to be a more updated and better system

  • john childs says:

    Got Backselcta about three months ago. Used it strictly according to the rules given and not only did I lose consistently but found I was getting different results being claimed by virtually an email a day from the vendor. According to him it was making all the profits promised with the winnings usually coming in the first bet of the day. His first bet of the day and mine were not even in the same race so he was not going according to his own rules. I wrote and queried this and he said I was not using it properly! I said it was a scam and he said it was being monitored by two independent monitors who were happy with profits. He did not say who monitors were nor how it was I could use rules given by him and lose. He said, ‘It won again today but I expect you lost again’! He said he now had a bot to work it and get the right bets. Since this was £37 plus a month and I gave up. I did not not realise who was selling this until after I had paid. I have had a lot of dealings with him because he seemed straight. This was very stupid of me. None of the stuff I got from him showed profit in the longer term. Several series of advices (Place lay advices to make £5000, Place back advices to do the same), and various other services and after a while, when they were losing, he just stopped sending them. I over paid over a £100 because of a muddle with Paypal. By the time I realised it was too late to get it back from Paypal and he, after lengthy correspondence , never refunded. In the last year he has stopped using his own name on things. The 3Arrows system was also his and no good. His name is Graeme Murray.
    John C

  • Joseph Stevington says:

    Was just wondering what was happening with the review of Frank Belanger’s World Horse Racing Formula. You had stated it was under the review process but I don’t see it listed. Emails to Frank about the system have gone unanswered for over a month now.

  • Phil says:

    Has anyone had any experience of software/system/method called BACK SELECTA ?

  • Sgt Jon Jon says:

    Hi Commissioner

    Welcome back from your well earned break! Bookie Bomber has some merits and does pick up winning bets BUT the rules are just too vague and open to misinterpretation with the result that we can all get slightly different selections.

    There is no selections service so we cannot even learn from how the author picks selections. As this is an each way backing system using bookies, the returns tend to be very short and the wild claims of instant wealth on the sales page are just not achievable unless you are staking in the hundreds or possibly thousands!

    As several BST members have bought the system, we are working together to try and better understand the rules and I have written to the author again but no reply yet!

    I like the idea of using 007 names for a system! How about “For Your Eyes Only” – so dangerous I can only let 100 people into the secret loophole that only Betfair know about etc….you know the sort of thing!

    Cheers
    Sgt Jon

  • Site Admin James The Commissioner says:

    back and ready for business lots happened whilst I have been away. Bookie Bomber another actor paid to do the script. Why not appear personally in your sales video. BIG TURN OFF straight away. Obviously reading from a script. But he is good… Flash cars and massive earnings promised. I appreciate this is being tested by one of our legends here but I dont think it has the legs, based on the tragedy of the sales copy. Remember the MOT is correct 98% of the time based on over 100 fully fledged reviews. could this be in the 2%? I fear not.

    I see also emails about Quantum something or other, Imaginative names Ill give them that. Whatever next? I’ll take a guess…

    Casino Royale system

    Licence To Kill System

    From Russia with Love or maybe even GOLDFINGER!

  • albert says:

    Hi Mike,

    I can’t be everytime 10 min before the off,on internet.Anyway ,I noticed important odds changes between 15 and 2 mins,before.

    My best regards,
    Albert

  • Mike says:

    Hi Ed

    Steve’s promotion seems to be quite new and from a purely personal point of view in any process where there are large amounts of daily lays you have to be prepared for long periods treading water/possible losing runs. I know that if I hit such a period on joining I couldn’t sustain it.

    Best wishes
    Mike

  • Mike says:

    Hi Albert

    If you are new to this mine field of betting I would keep things as simple as possible.

    You could do far worse than go to the top right of this page and read up on all the products which have passed the Sarge’s trials. I am running with ABTB (great for nearly zero risk) and also Fav. Phenom which has a very controlled risk. Both are doing very well for me.

    Re the favs….I would suggest you watch the live shows on sporting life which start about 10 mins befrore the off.

    All the best
    Mike

  • albert says:

    Hello for all fans of this site.Being new in horse racings,I need your advice regarding some rules for a good pick.I read some systems,requires this filter:POSTDATA ,in Racing Post.If A horse is a Postdata selection has good chances to win the course.If not,it is to lay.So,is Postdata a filter to always rely on?I know he is a tipster.It deserves to become a subscriber at Racing Post to get these information?
    Another point is the favourite in a course.But often ,the favourite is NOT the same in R.P. as in sportinglife .com and oddschecker .com Which should I rely on? Thank you.

    Albert

  • albert says:

    thank you Sgt. Dave,for reply.

  • Kris says:

    G’day Jon,
    yes mate, it makes Einstein’s ‘theory of relativity’ look a like a walk in the park!! Thanks heaps for your up-coming posts on Bookie Bomber, I look forward to your findings, esp. as it is a bonus service you are providing for us.
    Rgds,
    Kris

  • Mike says:

    Hi James

    Can I agree with all the replies re ABTB…. If I could add the bets level issue caveat.

    As we are not going to lose money overall we are against the religion of the bookies. So going to larger stakes adds to the possibility that accounts will be flagged for watching.

    Treating ABTB as a ‘nice litte earner’ as part of your betting is probably the best way.

    Cheers
    Mike

  • Lee O Hare says:

    Hi James

    Lee O hare here, sorry I have not got the sportinglifetrends software to you guys yet but weare not 100% happy with it yet so still working on it until we are.

    However we have launched a new service see below: placeprofits.com

    Could we proof this service to you guys please?

    Its a very nice service that makes profits over the long term no get rich quick scheme!

    We estimate you will make about 6k per year, nice little earner.

    I personally follow these myself and like the place market, gives you no long losing runs and steady profits.

    Please contact me at

    Cheers Lee

  • ed flav says:

    Whats layingtheprofits.com or winningmore.com sysytem like

    for inputing 2nd,3rd and 4th horses into a program and the computer picks the HORSE TO LAY ?

  • Alan says:

    Hi James,

    ABTB is a great method providing you have about an hour & and half each day around 12noon to 1.30 say. Some will take less time than this but generally I think this a fair assumption.

    You need to have a tidy mentality to keep accurate records daily (essential) and you will need to move funds around between bookies and your bank most days or evenings after racing.

    You can use it with almost any level of stakes but to make it worthwhile you need to be staking the suggested £100 per race which means you need funds of £1500 to £2000. Bear in mind that withdrawals out of bookies do not reach your account to be re- used for a couple of days at best.

    Although this is not arbing it is fairly close to it in operation so that gives an idea of the kind of mentality required.

    Not every0nes cup of tea but I love it.

  • Sgt Dave says:

    Hi James
    All By The Book is very good just look at my daily reviews but it does require a fair size bank and you need to to do money mangement. You can even work on 10 pence a point for that y0u would need a bank of at least 200 pounds, advantages to ABTB low risk and good profits, disadvantage need to spare some time per day and fair size capital.

    Regards
    Sgt Dave

  • james says:

    The ALL BY THE BOOK, P/L seems fantastic. How good is this service and is it worth the £87 purchase? ta

  • Sgt Jon Jon says:

    Hi Guys

    BOOKIE BOMBER

    First, the system author has replied very quickly to my queries. The query about Canford Cliffs was answered but NOT satisfactorily and the author’s reasoning was pretty muddled. However, it has made him revise the text of the LTO rule that I queried.

    Second, the system is concerned with E/W betting as Rui has shown above. The problem with this is the returns are likely to be low and I cannot see how £6258 could be achieved in 10 days unless you are staking at least £100 plus per point. This contradicts his suggestion of staking at £2 per selection.

    Today, I found 6 qualifiers of which just one paid out with an overall loss of 9.20 points. Only two selections were placed which included a short odds on winner and the other horse finished second in a 3 runner race that only paid out on the winner.

    Yesterday one selection finished 3rd in a race where the bookie only paid out on the first two. So, I think an immediate modification would be to only bet where 3 places are paid.

    I also think Betfair may prove to be a better platform using the place market rather than bookmakers.

    I don’t have the time to conduct a detailed review but will report weekly on P/L if anyone is considering whether to buy Bookie Bomber. I will post under a new post called…..Bookie Bomber!

    Ignore the claims that only 200 copies will be sold, (I’m still getting emails offering me other “limited offer” systems going back months), let’s see what the P/L looks like in a few weeks time.

    Kris – I love your Theory Of Resultivity !! Maybe we should include this in the Commissioner’s system MOT ?

    Cheers
    Sgt Jon

  • nicholas says:

    hi i also purchased the bookie bomber it seems a very simple system and i had to contact the author to clarify a few bits but the system actually seems to be working ok so far ive won 3 bets lost 1 which is good in my books as im in profit although only by £13, cant say the same thing for some of the other systems ive tried out to say the least.

    nicholas.

  • Admin says:

    Hi Karolis – I’m not sure if James has looked at this before but it’s quite an involved system to trial as it involves in play betting potentially in every race, but I’m sure he will respond when he’s back from holiday.

  • Karolis says:

    Can you test betfairatm. com?

  • Rui says:

    Hi Guys

    I also purchased the “BOOKIE BOMBER” and found that the rules are bit confusing when making your selections but so far it looking good .Here is my results so far….

    16/06/ Luisant @ 2.20, £1.00 Single 1.00 0.00
    16/06/ Watch Out @ 12.00, £1.00 EW Single 2.00 3.20
    16/06/ Night Singer @ 6.00, £1.00 EW Single 2.00 0.00
    15/06/ Battle Of Britain @ SP, £1.00 EW Single 2.00 1.28
    15/06/ Steinbeck @ 8.50, £1.00 EW Single 2.00 0.00
    15/06/ Dream Eater @ 51.00, £1.00 EW Single 2.00 13.50

    Total 11.00 17.98

  • Kris says:

    well, it would be great Rick if BB could prove me wrong, and I would certainly put my hand up and eat humble pie, dipped in chocolate sauce of course. But, as the saying goes: “if it sounds too good to be true………..”.
    System authors are usually very quick to reply to e-mails when things are rosy, but their true mettle is determined how quickly they answer when things aren’t quite going to plan. It’s uncanny, but there is probably a mathematical formula available that proves that the speed at which system authors reply to e-mails is in direct proportion as to how results are going……something like: a=pr2, I call it ‘the theory of resultivity’, where answers=profitsxresults squared. I am going through this very dilemma with a piece of expensive software I bought recently from the Gold Coast. Yes, I know, The Gold Coast — fool be me!!
    Whereabouts in Oz are you?
    All the best with your experience with BB.
    Kris

  • Rick says:

    well i’m in AUS so i didn’t bet on the canford cliffs race, but ive won about 3 races so far with bookie bomber, pretty crazy. author replies to questions very fast 2.

  • Kris says:

    thanks sandoz,
    with so much amiguity, they have created a huge grey area, which of course most system sellers use to their advantage. They do this by including a winner that didn’t really initially qualify, or conversely, conveniently leaving out a loser from their results page, that should have been included (enter the “grey area”)……..
    I’m too old in the tooth (and probably too cynical) to believe that this system could generate well in excess of GBP6000 in just 10 days………seriously?????…………
    Read between the lines people, this is the very reason this site exists!! Long live BST and the reviewers!!
    Cheers,
    Kris

  • sandoz says:

    I have seen the rules of this system:
    when you give rules for a system, they must be accurate and without any ambiguity, which is not the case here: they are so vague that you have no chance to get the same results as the system author, or any one else .
    One rule says:
    ” -Have ran between 1 or 2 times in the past month (doesn’t need to be 100%
    down to the 30/31 days of the month… Just look at the months last ran, if
    they’re from the current or the previous month, that’s fine!):”

    that is, have ran between 1 time or
    have ran between 2 times.
    what is this gibberish?
    If it has run 2 times it has necessary ran 1 time
    Did the author mean at least 1 time , but no more than 2 times?
    Are we sure that 3 times is excluded?

    Also, is it really 30/31 days … or more, as suggested by what follows, that is, if we are the 17 of june, and the last race is the 6 of may, it’s ok, but
    6 of may takes you back more than 40 days !

    From this rule depends the next one, based on the horse position: here , you are given the choice, either some value or another one, it’s up to you !

    -Also, works anywhere in the world: where is the proof?

    – Shown to generate £6258 in 10 days,and yet,
    ( with which stake amount?)
    “I actually missed 4 days of betting (due to family) so only bet on 10 days.”
    oh my god, shame on the family !

    Still not convinced it is scam ?

  • Kris says:

    wot, Sgt. Jon, a discrepancy already??
    I wonder if it would have been posted as a qualifier if it did not win (Canford Cliffs)??
    Hhhhhhmmmmmmmm…………….

  • Russell says:

    Hi All,
    I received an email this morning about a system called the BOOKIE BOMBER, has anyone out there heard of this or the guy behind it(Anthony Jones) it promises the usual for not a lot of effort, plausible video presentation and 60 day money back guarantee. Your comments/views awaited
    Thanks
    Russell

  • phil davies says:

    Just read the above remarks on “Bookie Bomber” but did you get clarification on the Canford Cliffs issue regarding being a qualifier.

  • phil davies says:

    Hi.

    I have received many e-mails relating to “The Bookie Bomber”
    This is claiming somewhere in the region of 6000 grand in ten days.

    Quite a tall order I think.

    Have you any feedback on this on. It is being promoted quite a bit the last few days,with a very convincing video.

  • Sgt Dave says:

    Hi Albert
    The reason the Easy Lay method was jailed and failed was that after 56 days it made a 12.24 points loss on Level Stakes and 21.39 points loss on bank liability. Its strike rate was to low and it did not live up to all the hype on the sales page. Maybe the Betting School reviewed it at a different time or maybe only tested it for a few weeks. But i noticed on the site they are giving away the Easy Back and Easy Lay selections free if you become a member. Hope this answers your question.

    Regards
    Sgt Dave

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Hi Rick

    I also bought Bookie Bomber but was surprised to get promo emails about Canford Cliffs win yesterday as I’m not sure it was a qualifier. Without giving the rules away, Canford’s LTO was different to the rule in the ebook. I’ve written to the author to get clarification. He also told me the system works well on Irish races.

    Cheers
    Sgt Jon

  • John says:

    Have you any info.with the Brimardon racing
    John

  • sandoz says:

    Hi Rick,
    They say Bookie Bomber can be used anywhere in the world.
    Can yo please confirm?
    For instance could it be used in France?

  • Rick says:

    yeh bookie bomber is ok as i said above (see few comments up).

    won yesterdays selection too so good start for me (2 wins 2 days usin the system so far).

  • james says:

    would anyone like to review the bookie bomber.? was going to buy but thin its another scam

  • Chris Hitch says:

    Anybody used the Bookie Bomber yet ?

  • albert says:

    Dear Mr.James,

    As you know already,I appreciate very much your site .Tell me please:why on betting-school .com the Easy Lay Method is highly recommended and on this site has the verdict Jailed!-Failed.I am new in horse racings betting.Thank you.

    Albert

  • Rick says:

    I just bought ‘the bookie bomber’ from only-200.com. did some paper trials and seems to be working quite well.

  • dean royall says:

    have you heard of eureka racing based shoreham sussex been offered a free trial

  • dean royall says:

    have you heard of eureka racing, ive been offered a free trial they are based in shoreham sussex

  • Anton says:

    Dear Mr. James,

    Is pleasure for me to have in the future your newsletters, but and to know
    the people how you, they make the life of the bookis not simple..

    Frank Belanger tell me, that you and the bettingsgateway are bettings guru, successful gamblers and I believe, thats so.

    Thank you very much!

    Anton

  • bill thomas says:

    g’day,just wondering if you have heard of “world horse racing formula” by frank bellanger….cheers

  • Sgt Jon Sgt Jon says:

    Hi Kris

    I have a copy of this system and recommend you save your cash! The idea behind “Going The Extra Mile” has a kind of logic to it but when I trialled it just did not work. There are much better systems out there than this one.

    Cheers
    Sgt Jon

  • Kris Lang says:

    Good Morning,

    I was considering purchasing a horse racing system called “Going The Extra Mile” written by Henry McAnenly. I dont think you have reviewed it on your website. Could you please give me any info. Thanks

    Cheers Kris

  • Mike says:

    Doody intro vid ;o)