I have been trying to contact Richard Van orden regarding the spectacular Greyhound Lay Pro and ask a question, but at this time he has not replied. Can you help please. here is the missive.
Hi Rich

I have been very impressed with the above program. The results are spectacular. However, before purchasing, I want to make absolutely sure that it loads onto my PC using Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 9. Why am I showing concerns? Because when I bought another greyhound program recently that claimed to load the greyhounds racing cards using a technique called ‘Screen Scraping’ of Internet Explorer 9, it didn’t work. It gave me no Drop Down Box of the days greyhounds, (In fact it only loaded 1 greyhound after a scan, and that was it): How does Greyhound Lay Pro get its
selections? Does it use an Interface such as Bet Fair or, do I have to subscribe to a racing site to get all the days dogs and then manually click on each race to let the software do it’s business?

Thank you for all your help. Great review.Adrian

I also wrote to Steve Davidson the inventor of this program but he has not replied also. I would like to buy this system but I have no confidence if I am not receiving the grace of a reply from the mentors. Thank you

@Luigi:
Hi Luigi,
Ron Robinsons results are discretionary, so there is mno such thing as proof. Though if you sign up for his free daily email you can not only see his previous day’s ratings, advice and the results (not in cash terms); but also get some free tips for races of low quality – i.e ones he will only back to low stakes.

Re Bet4mula – I bet now you wish you had signed up for that one. For sound systems, the best time to start following is after on losing run. So I would tend not to susbcribe at times like the present. My only problem with it at present is that I like to see a couple of losing days before increasing my stakes – so I haven’t had the opportunity recently.

The same guy (Paul Morris) has a football system based upon bet4mula out – and it too is doing rather well.

@Rich,
I know what you the vast majority of threads there (including the ones i mentioned) are NOT pirated systems, in fact one of them is now set up as a commercial tips and so is no longer free. Having said that, the results turned to custard when it went commercial.

I have never knowingly given links or any details of any commercial systems out on this or any other Forum.

Cheers,
Ian

I got scammed by them. I have been following a betting system called Sportsbettingstar. I figured I would try sports betting legend. These guys are basically stealing their picks from the website sportsbettingstar and selling them for $75 more. This site is fraudulant

@Dazzler:
Dazzler,

I received it last week after MONTHS of sending emails EVERY day.
I pestered him to death – must have eventually got fed up with me.
He is NOT to be trusted – lied to me saying it was in the post, etc, etc
Daveyboy.

hi everyone, im new to this kind of thing i was wondering if anyone has heard of http://www.sportsbettinglegend.com ?, i subscribed to them about a week ago and so far i have had 2 winning tips (out of 2), i was wondering if anyone else has had any experience with this system???

@Daveyboy:

Daveyboy,

I am having the exact same trouble mate? Have you received your cheque yet?

Hello everyone,

I am very pleased to have stumbled upon this site. The level of honesty, knowledge and forthright approach to betting is impressive to say the least.

Although perfection is only what one can strive for it’s never if ever achieved despite our futile attempts. However, it appears that many on here strive to be fair, diligent and conscientious, at least that’s the impression I have initially formed of Betting System Truths.

Currently, I am using the Magic Backing Bot or to be more correct, I’ve just stopped using it live as I feel from the performance recently that this is going nowhere fast. Coupled of course with the reviews on this site I have decided to quit whilst still ahead as I did manage to experience a brief purple patch prior to Christmas. Alas, January has been very much downhill along with the weather.

Have subscribed to ABTB and Golden Key as a result of the reviews here and also running Bet2Win, ASP and Winning Trainers prior to discovering Betting System Truths.

Have done some trials and reviews in the past, so have managed in the main to avoid the Rochdale road gang of thieves and the obvious scam merchants but it’s still a minefield out there with well meaning individuals few and far between.
Does tend to make one rather cynical and wary of all the purveyors of this and that wonderful system and/or method that one almost concludes that one should be joining the band of betting system vendors and affiliates as that must be where it’s at; or is it?

hello everyone, what a great site. i have just been surfing, and came across a site called nbabettingclub.com. i saw the results on wagertracker.com, and got directed to the site. it claims decent profit, and is giving away free nba tips, but has only been proofed for the last few days, and was wondering if anyone had ever heard anything of it? cheers guys

@andystiger: I use the system,only prob quite a few selections go unmatched.Quite often you are laying 10/1 about a 5/1 shot,but saying that at present it is in profit

Kachina Racing
Chris Geek, owner of Kachina Racing, has been promising me a refund for a failed sysytem for weeks and weeks saying cheque is in the post.
Well, it is not.
Please do not have anything to do with him or his company – you will dissappointed and out of pocket.
Daveyboy.

@IanF:

Hi Ian,
thanks for sharing the services that you use, I’ve decided that I will try Bonus Bagging and probably also Ex-Bookie (seems Bet4mula has hit a nasty loosing run). You mention also Rob Robinsons service, do you know if it’s possible to check his past results? Apart from the testimonials on his page I wasn’t able to find anything and at 120 pounds for the gold season ticket I would feel better if I could see some proof

Cheers

@IanF:
Hi Ian
If you don’t mention sites that pirate other people’s work, there will be no need to censor

I’m sorry you are too busy to be a reviewer for us. We are just a handful of individuals and it is a work-intensive job to bring these sites and these reviews to you.

It will help us enormously if your contributions don’t promote stolen goods – I’m sure you understand.

Thanks for letting us know about Ron’s charity site.

@Review Manager Rich:
Regarding the ‘Site censored’ . When I put in the post on the ABTB thread, it was edited and the name oth the sie was replaced with the phrase @Site censored due to its nature’.

I did not atempt to put in any actual links, just enough information that interested parties could use Google to find the relevant sies.

I got the idea of 3 mionth betting banks from seeing you reviews and also from the comment from the previous review manager about the performance of Betfair Miracle after its 12 week review here had finished.

I am far to busy to be a Reviewer for you, though its nice to know that you think I might have the right qualities. When I first visited this site, I had a shortage of ideas/systems for my betting. Now I have too many to follow up. For example I have designed or been given a total of 23 horse racing systems from the Adrian Massey website’s database. All of which are theoretically long term profitabel ( > 4yrs with no unprofitable years). But they are all niche systems which require too long for me to operate.

My latest betting discovery is Ron Robinson’s ratings and advice. He is trying to raise money for charities associated with Horseracing and used to give out his daily information for free. But the tight B4st4rd5 who visited his site didn’t donate (as requested), so now he charges a pittance for it. And I mean a pittance :
All his advice plus part ownership of 3 horses in training for £500 per year.
The above without the horse ownership for £120 – thats 33p per day!
Plus 2 cheaper packagesl.

Oh and did I say that his betting advice ( maiunly dutchibg) is red hot right now, and that he has NEVER had a losing Lay (though has only done 26 so far).

Thats enough for now,
Ian

P.S Bet4mula is by the same guy who does Ex-Bookie except it is his System rather than his value selections.

Hi I have a new tipping service, and I have almost completed the website. I know that to have it reviewed here or on http://www.laytheodds.com requires an affiliate plan, and was just wondering if anyone had any advise, of what site to use etc? thanks for any help

@ian josephs:

Thanks Ian. We would be happy to review your systems on here. Our readers are always happy to see reviews of successful systems. Just contact me at BlogReviewManager@gmail.com

I have originated several systems,all of which have passed 4 simple tests.
1:-All systems show good profits in EACH of the last 7 years (verified quickly and easily on the Adrian Massey records site)
2:- All horses are selected the evening BEFORE racing in ten minutes or less by clicking on line onto the Racing Post “tomorrow’s cards” .
3:- All users select the same horses with no ambiguity whatever.
4:-No system takes more than 50 words to define and most take less than half that number !

How many of the systems you have reviewed pass these 4 simple tests?

@IanF:

Thanks for the list Ian.

We have already reviewed ExBookie on here (passed 3.5 stars). I am currently setting up a reviewer to do Triple H so that will be interesting to see. I get the Punterspal emails – I’ll have to give them some attention.

Not sure what the – symbols you put in mean (am I being thick?) nor what the “Site censored” means. I haven’t censored or altered your message. But we wouldn’t want links, especially to dodgy sites.

But thanks for your list. Do you fancy joining our team of reviewers? We basically do 12 week reviews, so you are in effect doing the same with your 3 month betting banks.

Rich

Hi all,i Is anyone using Money Talks system?.As i brought this system a few years ago,but didn’t use it for very long!.I am having probs finding the market movers list on R.Post.So if anyone could help me i would be very grateful.

I was asked by Luigi on the ABTB comment thread about which tipsters/systems/methods are profitable for me.
I tried to answer in that thread, but I have been asked to post it here instead because it isn’t about ABTB.

@Luigi,

I am not sure if I am allowed to mention the tipsters and sytems who are making me a profit. Nearly all of them have long losing runs. But i allocate a separate betting bank to each system/method/service I use and will keep it going (so long as some of the bank remains) for up to 3 months before rejecting it.
I am a longer term portfolio style bettor. None of them have been reviewed here , or at LTO. Also I don’t know if the paid for ones are still taking new members.

But here is a list of some (which may be censored):
Ex-Bookie
Bet4mula
Bet2win/Punterspal
handicapped horses – thread free on (Site censored due to its nature)
correct score dutching – thread free on (Site censored due to its nature)
Tripple H Horse Racing

You should find something you like out of that lot.

Ian

Hi Ian

Please stick around. You have made some useful contributions, so far.

Rich