@Sgt Rich: ahem cough cough……

I agree that it is usual to include commission when reporting results – any sales page that doesn’t raises a question mark with me. Commission does vary, so usually reported results allow the amximum 5% deduction. That way it shows the minimum profit attainable with the tips/system.

Thanks, BristolSpur, for highlighting the wide variation between reported prices on their website and the Betfair SP. It would be VERY unusual for odds to swing that much so often in the last few minutes.

This is the advantage of our reviews – they show the actual results on an on-going basis rather than any claimed results on a marketing page. Let’s see what Lucian’s review brings up.

i can answer why its tricky to add betfair commission.i think in recent years betfair have offered different levels of commission dependent on how much volume you bet.i could be wrong here.

thanks bristol for underlining my concerns.it is always my way to check out supposed results from any site that i am considering investing in,and measure those results to reality.i.e. timeform BSP.just looking at the small sample you took the trouble to provide,i can assume that you totally share my view on this that although some of the results are correct,there are enough anomalies in this small sample that we can totally discount any of the claims provided by this service.it remains to be seen if over time it works out to be profitable,but i certainly wont be investing in this any time soon.

Can I just confirm your betting strategy, if you start with a 1000 pt bank and bet 100 on each bet, if you have 2 losing bets (at the start) @ 5.00 odds – you would not have enough funds to cover a third bet.
This could be a very short trial.

@justin white aka 1wildhorse:
Following on from my previous post……..
Actual results (using BSP) – I am aware this is not the ‘2 mins’ pre race price, however this margin of difference is far too great and always in this Sites favour, also what else can be validated?
‘False Favourites’ is a strange term to use when some of the selections were 3rd or 4th favs in their races AND some were small 5 runner races, not many serious Layers would choose such small fields.
Apologies for the wierd ‘times’ shown – this is how they appear on the Site.
The promised ACTUAL results-Odds above 5 will show as N/A under ‘P/L’.

Date Course Time Selection BFSP Bet P/L Fav
02-Mar Folk 4.4 Blue Dark 6.8 won N/A No
09-Mar Naas 4.15 Forty Foot 10.43 won N/A No
10-Mar Win 4.05 Chestnut Ben 14.72 won N/A No
11-Mar Win 2.35 Life of a Luso 11 won N/A No
Ayr 5.4 King Penda 5 won 95 No
12-Mar Chep 4.15 Thievery 9.19 won N/A No
13-Mar Navan 4.45 Linnel 12 won N/A No
Mkt R 5.25 Persian Prince 5.4 won N/A Yes
Navan 3.1 Fists f Fury 8.48 won N/A No
Limerick 4.3 Beckwith Star 5.24 won N/A No
16-Mar Chelt 3.2 Woolcombe Folly 9 won N/A No
17-Mar Chelt 1.3 Robinson Collong 7.4 won N/A No
Tow 3.05 Wide Receiver 9.4 won N/A No
DownR 4.2 Rookery Rebel 4.1 Lost -310 Yes
18-Mar Ling 2.3 Fifth In Lane 5.23 won N/A No
Fake 3.35 Wellforth 3.85 won 95 No
Wolve 6.5 pie Poudre 7 won N/A No
19-Mar Wolve 8.2 Woolfall Soverign 4.8 won 95 Yes
20-Mar Newt 2.45 Health Is wealth 2.76 won 95 Yes
Cork 3.25 Rakamasi 5.14 won N/A No
Cork 3.55 Pscho 5.2 won N/A No

As can be seen only 4 Favs actually selected, most odds far exceed the max bet of 5 – thus only 5 bets for the month with one losing lay. After subscription to Racing Post & also subs to this Site…. a winning Month?
As an afterthought, how many creditable tipping sites don’t make allowance for the Betfair deduction in their results? – Food for thouht.

These are the very last reported results/prices as shown on their Website for March 2011. Justin had previously raised issues regarding the validity of prices quoted (with which I agree). Dependant if this mailing appears in the comments – I will later show the correct prices that were available. Also I will confirm the very loose term ‘False Favourites’ used in this article.

Date Course Time Selection Price Bet P/L
02-Mar Folk 4.4 Blue Dark 4 won 100
09-Mar Naas 4.15 Forty Foot 5.0(i.p) won 100
10-Mar Win 4.05 Chestnut Ben 5.5(i.P) won 100
11-Mar Win 2.35 Life of a Luso 3.0(i.p) won 100
Ayr 5.4 King Penda 4 won 100
12-Mar Chep 4.15 Thievery 5 won 100
13-Mar Navan 4.45 Linnel 4 won 100
Mkt R. 5.25 Persian Prince 4.8 won 100
Navan 3.1 Fists f Fury 4 won 100
Limerick 4.3 Beckwith Star 5 won 100
16-Mar Chelt 3.2 Woolcombe Folly 5 won 100
17-Mar Chelt 1.3 Robinson Collong 5 won 100
Tow 3.05 Wide Receiver 5 won 100
DownR 4.2 Rookery Rebel 4 Lost -300
18-Mar Ling 2.3 Fifth In Lane 3 won 100
Fake 3.35 Wellforth 4 won 100
Wolve 6.5 pie Poudre 3 won 100
19-Mar Wolve 8.2 Woolfall Soverign 5 won 100
20-Mar Newt 2.45 Health Is wealth 3 won 100
Cork 3.25 Rakamasi 2.88 won 100
Cork 3.55 Pscho 3 won 100

@justin white aka 1wildhorse: and hence my confusion.are you telling me that a horse would have drifted from 4 out to 10 2 minutes before the race?this may happen once,but i only checked a few days,and in no way did the results posted on their page even come close to the actual BSP apart from once i think.it has sent alarm bells ringing tbh.i understand that you set the bot to parameters,so in actuality no bets would be placed to these odds,but are their records true reflections of what you would expect from the service?go check them out for yourself.

i have a question about this.are you laying horses that are flagged by the software?and if this is so,how are their results collated?i had a quick check through some of the results posted on their site,and BSP showed absolutely no relation to the prices posted.there were horses shown at odds of 4 that BSP had at over 10.this confuses me.

on my first day of trial no bets.on second day i enabled bot before i set time at 2mins before race.this resulted in sp lays being placed in 4 races as time was set at bet now.of these 4 races 2 lays were placed and were succesful,the other 2 were not in odds limits but lost anyway.pehhaps its best to use the bot in this way?

i took the free trial & after a couple days it has shown profit but membership to racenet has to be a 1 month subscription costing 2 pounds per week, so its a part free trial. Also the service & support from point2lay has been very helpfull.
cheers bon