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		<title>By: Betting System Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betting System Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Seamus I have added that section at the top on the right. But unfortunately there isnt 10 in there and I doubt there will be 10 in there for months to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Seamus I have added that section at the top on the right. But unfortunately there isnt 10 in there and I doubt there will be 10 in there for months to come&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seamus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi
Great site but hard to pin down your top ten reliable systems can you list them clearly on your home page</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi<br />
Great site but hard to pin down your top ten reliable systems can you list them clearly on your home page</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 03:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever thought of introducing a system invention page:

Allow your readers to invent and send in their own ideas and thoughts on systems: I honestly believe that some of them will have far smarter minds than some of those so called experts who push out trash week in and week out:

It will allow us to pick through them and use some of that wisdom with our own ideas, and----who knows!!! we may come up with a real winner:

There should be one stipulation however, and that is that any useable and successful system gleaned from your pages must be shared with the rest of your readers:

Its just a thought, but everything starts from a thought:
Regards
Gordon Mills</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever thought of introducing a system invention page:</p>
<p>Allow your readers to invent and send in their own ideas and thoughts on systems: I honestly believe that some of them will have far smarter minds than some of those so called experts who push out trash week in and week out:</p>
<p>It will allow us to pick through them and use some of that wisdom with our own ideas, and&#8212;-who knows!!! we may come up with a real winner:</p>
<p>There should be one stipulation however, and that is that any useable and successful system gleaned from your pages must be shared with the rest of your readers:</p>
<p>Its just a thought, but everything starts from a thought:<br />
Regards<br />
Gordon Mills</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Folks
   Some interesting comments by all concerned perhaps there is not much difference between some of the marketers and some of the punters they all want to make a quick and easy money. As for the remainder of us we know there is no such thing as a quick buck that profits can be made  but its steadily over a period of time, its  a patient process. Of course that is what is wrong with the world everything has to be instant, right now, but we are only kidding ourselves and as for instant wealth the odds  of that happening are millions to one (Buy a lottery ticket).
    
Know  i deviate from the path do we need guys like James, Matt, Sam, Jon and co the answer is &quot;hell yeah&quot; why because there are a vast amount of systems and services out there even if you eliminate many through commonsense you are still left with alot. Say you brought systems from one of the good guys, eventually by the law of the averages one of them maybe a failure would it not be better to know in advance rather than waste your money and going through the hassle of trying to get you money back from clickbank. You can only get your money back so many times from Clickbank before they ban you. There is new companies, new names appearing all the time some could be genuine or yet another alias from the rogues out there you need someone who can find out and inform you.
   
Some of you may remark, well you would say that you are a reviewer for James, true i am but if i did not believe in this site i would not bother period. I actually wrote for two other sites before James there test period was only for two weeks, i passed a couple because they made a profit over that amount time but i was not really happy because 2 weeks is no where near longer enough to do a test. The final straw was when i sent a review which failed but it was never posted they actually  had sent out the system to different reviewers at various times and eventually posted  one only when the actual system had made a profit and was approved. In fact these two sites approve most of the systems and services reviewed of course its down to one thing money and to hell with there bloggers, readers etc. These are the sites we need to get shot of they are just as bad as the bogus system sellers and in some case the two are connected. Now look at this site 16 services/systems failed and only 5 passed big difference is it not.
     
Now onto Jon i feel sorry  for you mate i think i would be hacked off with the survey, by the way i completed it and i certainly did not quote 15 pounds. Of course as regards selling systems the dilemma here is because of the all the garbage out there punters will not buy anything without a guarantee, but on the flip side there are rogue punters who will keep the system and ask for there moneyback.  There are genuine system authors and services out there, although few and far between who probably feel insulted that they are offering something good  and do not believe they have to offer such guarantees. There could be two ways round it the first would be to clearly have it written in the guarantee that if the system did not make X amount amount of points  or made a profit which ever you prefer within say 56 days(8 weeks) they could claim there moneyback, if the punter cannot prove he made a loss  to Clickbank then no refund.  The second would be to offer a subscription service for 8 weeks and say you wanted to charge 39 pounds for your system, charge them 19.50 pounds every 4 weeks, they could cancel anytime within this period and get there moneyback but would not receive the system until the end of the 8 weeks subscription. Of course in the case of number 2 you could say that the author might not send the system at the end of the period but then that would be failure to deliver and subscriptions would be returned. I am sure that these two approaches could be adapted somehow as they protect the customer/punter and the author/ seller. Although not perfect at least it would be the middle ground a compromise between favouring one side or another, if the system author/ service believed in there methods they would have no worries in demonstrating its worth and have assurance that his system would not be stolen. For the punter you still have the security of a guarantee if the system/service blows out.
   
As for the curse of the trials there is no such thing in a way its self inflicted, simple when system authors/ services either want to get there products reviewed or to sell them they are usually on a hot streak, you know on a long winning run, had several consecutive profitable months well we all know that no system or service can win all the time there has to be some losers and guess when it is going to happen?. What systems or services have i purchased in the last 12 months answer 5 how many refunds did i request just 1 and got it despite the authors worst(best) efforts to stop it.
  
                                     Best Regards
                                           David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Folks<br />
   Some interesting comments by all concerned perhaps there is not much difference between some of the marketers and some of the punters they all want to make a quick and easy money. As for the remainder of us we know there is no such thing as a quick buck that profits can be made  but its steadily over a period of time, its  a patient process. Of course that is what is wrong with the world everything has to be instant, right now, but we are only kidding ourselves and as for instant wealth the odds  of that happening are millions to one (Buy a lottery ticket).</p>
<p>Know  i deviate from the path do we need guys like James, Matt, Sam, Jon and co the answer is &#8220;hell yeah&#8221; why because there are a vast amount of systems and services out there even if you eliminate many through commonsense you are still left with alot. Say you brought systems from one of the good guys, eventually by the law of the averages one of them maybe a failure would it not be better to know in advance rather than waste your money and going through the hassle of trying to get you money back from clickbank. You can only get your money back so many times from Clickbank before they ban you. There is new companies, new names appearing all the time some could be genuine or yet another alias from the rogues out there you need someone who can find out and inform you.</p>
<p>Some of you may remark, well you would say that you are a reviewer for James, true i am but if i did not believe in this site i would not bother period. I actually wrote for two other sites before James there test period was only for two weeks, i passed a couple because they made a profit over that amount time but i was not really happy because 2 weeks is no where near longer enough to do a test. The final straw was when i sent a review which failed but it was never posted they actually  had sent out the system to different reviewers at various times and eventually posted  one only when the actual system had made a profit and was approved. In fact these two sites approve most of the systems and services reviewed of course its down to one thing money and to hell with there bloggers, readers etc. These are the sites we need to get shot of they are just as bad as the bogus system sellers and in some case the two are connected. Now look at this site 16 services/systems failed and only 5 passed big difference is it not.</p>
<p>Now onto Jon i feel sorry  for you mate i think i would be hacked off with the survey, by the way i completed it and i certainly did not quote 15 pounds. Of course as regards selling systems the dilemma here is because of the all the garbage out there punters will not buy anything without a guarantee, but on the flip side there are rogue punters who will keep the system and ask for there moneyback.  There are genuine system authors and services out there, although few and far between who probably feel insulted that they are offering something good  and do not believe they have to offer such guarantees. There could be two ways round it the first would be to clearly have it written in the guarantee that if the system did not make X amount amount of points  or made a profit which ever you prefer within say 56 days(8 weeks) they could claim there moneyback, if the punter cannot prove he made a loss  to Clickbank then no refund.  The second would be to offer a subscription service for 8 weeks and say you wanted to charge 39 pounds for your system, charge them 19.50 pounds every 4 weeks, they could cancel anytime within this period and get there moneyback but would not receive the system until the end of the 8 weeks subscription. Of course in the case of number 2 you could say that the author might not send the system at the end of the period but then that would be failure to deliver and subscriptions would be returned. I am sure that these two approaches could be adapted somehow as they protect the customer/punter and the author/ seller. Although not perfect at least it would be the middle ground a compromise between favouring one side or another, if the system author/ service believed in there methods they would have no worries in demonstrating its worth and have assurance that his system would not be stolen. For the punter you still have the security of a guarantee if the system/service blows out.</p>
<p>As for the curse of the trials there is no such thing in a way its self inflicted, simple when system authors/ services either want to get there products reviewed or to sell them they are usually on a hot streak, you know on a long winning run, had several consecutive profitable months well we all know that no system or service can win all the time there has to be some losers and guess when it is going to happen?. What systems or services have i purchased in the last 12 months answer 5 how many refunds did i request just 1 and got it despite the authors worst(best) efforts to stop it.</p>
<p>                                     Best Regards<br />
                                           David</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope James won&#039;t mind me chipping in here as a potential system seller! 

I &quot;discovered&quot; a laying system a few months ago which proved to be successful until January when it collapsed. James had kindly let me trial the system on this blog but eventually I withdrew the trial as the losses were piling up. 

Since then of course, the system has got back into profit - maybe just the &quot;curse of the live trial&quot;! However, I may decide not to sell the system at all as a survey amongst punters on what they consider a reasonable price was just ludicrous. People expecting me to provide a system that they want to generate at least 100 points per year for around 15 quid!! Think about it. Why would I sell you a way of making 500 pounds or more per year for a one off 15 quid??

I might offer a subscription service but only after I have 12 months proven records to back up my claims, whatever they may be after a year.

The problem with selling systems is the unconditional money back guarantee. I could sell you a very profitable system where the buyer simply claims an unwarranted refund after a few days and I have earned zilch for my efforts.

Certainly there is a lot of rubbish on the market, a sign of our recessionary times and desperate bettors. But equally there are some very good systems out there although the best system, of course, is the one YOU develop yourself....

Cheers
Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope James won&#8217;t mind me chipping in here as a potential system seller! </p>
<p>I &#8220;discovered&#8221; a laying system a few months ago which proved to be successful until January when it collapsed. James had kindly let me trial the system on this blog but eventually I withdrew the trial as the losses were piling up. </p>
<p>Since then of course, the system has got back into profit &#8211; maybe just the &#8220;curse of the live trial&#8221;! However, I may decide not to sell the system at all as a survey amongst punters on what they consider a reasonable price was just ludicrous. People expecting me to provide a system that they want to generate at least 100 points per year for around 15 quid!! Think about it. Why would I sell you a way of making 500 pounds or more per year for a one off 15 quid??</p>
<p>I might offer a subscription service but only after I have 12 months proven records to back up my claims, whatever they may be after a year.</p>
<p>The problem with selling systems is the unconditional money back guarantee. I could sell you a very profitable system where the buyer simply claims an unwarranted refund after a few days and I have earned zilch for my efforts.</p>
<p>Certainly there is a lot of rubbish on the market, a sign of our recessionary times and desperate bettors. But equally there are some very good systems out there although the best system, of course, is the one YOU develop yourself&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Betting System Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betting System Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing i have noticed in recent months is negativity in the niche is getting very popular. It is all caused by the new system every week marketers. It is absolutely taring this industry apart and they have no care for YOU or anyone else involved as long as they can carry on picking up there ever decreasing clickbank checks every 14 days...

Theres only so much we can do. And it is demoralising when we all get painted with the same coloured paint and same brush...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing i have noticed in recent months is negativity in the niche is getting very popular. It is all caused by the new system every week marketers. It is absolutely taring this industry apart and they have no care for YOU or anyone else involved as long as they can carry on picking up there ever decreasing clickbank checks every 14 days&#8230;</p>
<p>Theres only so much we can do. And it is demoralising when we all get painted with the same coloured paint and same brush&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Betting System Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betting System Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John that all depends what your stakes are if your stakes were £100 a lay then it might be worth selling. If you were playing to £2 stakes then yeh i agree It would probably remain a secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John that all depends what your stakes are if your stakes were £100 a lay then it might be worth selling. If you were playing to £2 stakes then yeh i agree It would probably remain a secret.</p>
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		<title>By: Betting System Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betting System Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect your comments William but disagree with your views about wether guidelines are needed and also about using canines to protect my secret... I receive nigh on 50 emails a week from blog readers who want this sort of thing so they can be more savvy. 

And in response to wether i would sell a system, I have done it in the past, the main reason is I simply dont have the time to run my idea myself and i know it works, because I have people testing them night and day.If i can make some money from my idea then thats what i will do. But then there is the sh*t bags online that sell crap that is made up and reverse engineered. I would not advise people to simply not buy anything, this is what my site is here for to pass on the TRUTHS about everything released online regardless of who is promoting them.  And to cut speculation my site website currently runs at a small loss... So Sir please dont paint all marketers with the same tarnished brush.

Your opinion though is duly respected.
cheers
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect your comments William but disagree with your views about wether guidelines are needed and also about using canines to protect my secret&#8230; I receive nigh on 50 emails a week from blog readers who want this sort of thing so they can be more savvy. </p>
<p>And in response to wether i would sell a system, I have done it in the past, the main reason is I simply dont have the time to run my idea myself and i know it works, because I have people testing them night and day.If i can make some money from my idea then thats what i will do. But then there is the sh*t bags online that sell crap that is made up and reverse engineered. I would not advise people to simply not buy anything, this is what my site is here for to pass on the TRUTHS about everything released online regardless of who is promoting them.  And to cut speculation my site website currently runs at a small loss&#8230; So Sir please dont paint all marketers with the same tarnished brush.</p>
<p>Your opinion though is duly respected.<br />
cheers<br />
James</p>
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